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emmsie69 · Grand Slam Champion

RE: Week 44 - ATP 1000 - Rolex Paris Masters - Paris, France (indoor hard)

JonH · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
indiana wrote:
JonH wrote:
A number of singles players dropped out of the doubles - 4 alt pairs now in the draw in total, as Medvedev, Zverev, Berettini/Cobolli are all withdrawn. Shame this happens - don't know if Luke entered this, but maybe he would have made the draw if the withdrawals had been earlier or they hadn't entered at all.

When it is the last week of the Race, it has the chance to really impact players battling for that, in my mind, which makes it doubly disappointing.
Wait for reduced doubles deaws with singles players still infiltrating, with one round less to play, and probably still withdrawing at some stage and shafting the remaining doubles specialists.
Well unless the ATP Council reconsider ...
It's so predictable, either they'll lose early in singles and decide they need to get to their next tournament or they'll progress in singles and want to ensure they aren't tired for a SF or Final.

If they had singles ranking points docked for pulling out of doubles that would work.

Or do the rankings like juniors ITF, with 1/4 points for doubles. Apart from we would see Henry Patten in the top 20, which probably wouldn't work (with all due respect, as a fan of Henry's!)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

JonH wrote:
A number of singles players dropped out of the doubles - 4 alt pairs now in the draw in total, as Medvedev, Zverev, Berettini/Cobolli are all withdrawn.

It's hard to keep track of what's going on in the doubles. Krawietz & Pütz are now on their third set of possible opponents: they were originally drawn against Erler & Medvedev, who gave way to Michelson & Tien, & now it's the local pair, Bonnaud & Branger!

indiana · Tennis legend

JonH wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
indiana wrote:
JonH wrote:
A number of singles players dropped out of the doubles - 4 alt pairs now in the draw in total, as Medvedev, Zverev, Berettini/Cobolli are all withdrawn. Shame this happens - don't know if Luke entered this, but maybe he would have made the draw if the withdrawals had been earlier or they hadn't entered at all.

When it is the last week of the Race, it has the chance to really impact players battling for that, in my mind, which makes it doubly disappointing.
Wait for reduced doubles deaws with singles players still infiltrating, with one round less to play, and probably still withdrawing at some stage and shafting the remaining doubles specialists.
Well unless the ATP Council reconsider ...
It's so predictable, either they'll lose early in singles and decide they need to get to their next tournament or they'll progress in singles and want to ensure they aren't tired for a SF or Final.
If they had singles ranking points docked for pulling out of doubles that would work.
Or do the rankings like juniors ITF, with 1/4 points for doubles. Apart from we would see Henry Patten in the top 20, which probably wouldn't work (with all due respect, as a fan of Henry's!)

Yes, maybe the first point Jon, if unlikely to ever happen.

I am not sure where you are going with the second point whicb seems to be considering combined rankings. And would actually ( 1/4 points or not ) give added benefit for singles players going and taking part in doubles.

JonH · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
JonH wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
indiana wrote:
JonH wrote:
A number of singles players dropped out of the doubles - 4 alt pairs now in the draw in total, as Medvedev, Zverev, Berettini/Cobolli are all withdrawn. Shame this happens - don't know if Luke entered this, but maybe he would have made the draw if the withdrawals had been earlier or they hadn't entered at all.

When it is the last week of the Race, it has the chance to really impact players battling for that, in my mind, which makes it doubly disappointing.
Wait for reduced doubles deaws with singles players still infiltrating, with one round less to play, and probably still withdrawing at some stage and shafting the remaining doubles specialists.
Well unless the ATP Council reconsider ...
It's so predictable, either they'll lose early in singles and decide they need to get to their next tournament or they'll progress in singles and want to ensure they aren't tired for a SF or Final.
If they had singles ranking points docked for pulling out of doubles that would work.
Or do the rankings like juniors ITF, with 1/4 points for doubles. Apart from we would see Henry Patten in the top 20, which probably wouldn't work (with all due respect, as a fan of Henry's!)
Yes, maybe the first point Jon, if unlikely to ever happen.
I am not sure where you are going with the second point whicb seems to be considering combined rankings. And would actually ( 1/4 points or not ) give added benefit for singles players going and taking part in doubles.

Firstly, it was very much tongue in cheek. Secondly, yes, it was saying if there was a combined ranking which counted singles and doubles points, it would benefit singles players at least committing to and playing the doubles. Which is part of the issue overall - that singles players enter and then pull out. Not in relation to the wider protecting doubles as a sport perspective, just dealing with the pull outs that plague us from the singles players.

But if it was on a 25% of doubles points perspective, like in juniors, then Henry's current 9270 points in doubles would equate 2317.5 points in total, equivalent to current 20th place in the singles ranking. Which adds to the tongue in cheekness of it!

Both ideas were completely and totally tongue in cheek, please dont get bothered by them or take them seriously!

-- Edited by JonH on Tuesday 3rd of November 2026 05:29:37 PM

-- Edited by JonH on Tuesday 3rd of November 2026 05:32:17 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

Ha, it possibly becomes slightly problematic when you habitually declare when debated with that not clearly ridiculous points were actually tongue in cheek.

Maybe I should just ignore your points

JonH · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Ha, it possibly becomes slightly problematic when you habitually declare when debated with that not clearly ridiculous points were actually tongue in cheek.
Maybe I should just ignore your points

The problem is, Indy, most things I say in real life tend to be made with a high degree of irony and partially are thrown out to see what reaction comes back my way. It tends to be how my humour works. Americans love me (not).

But it doesn't easily translate to written word on a forum, my bad!

And please don't ignore me, I wouldn't like that at all!

indiana · Tennis legend

JonH wrote:
indiana wrote:
Ha, it possibly becomes slightly problematic when you habitually declare when debated with that not clearly ridiculous points were actually tongue in cheek.
Maybe I should just ignore your points
The problem is, Indy, most things I say in real life tend to be made with a high degree of irony and partially are thrown out to see what reaction comes back my way. It tends to be how my humour works. Americans love me (not).
But it doesn't easily translate to written word on a forum, my bad!
And please don't ignore me, I wouldn't like that at all!

Of course I won't. That was tongue in cheek, hence the wink.

JonH · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
JonH wrote:
indiana wrote:
Ha, it possibly becomes slightly problematic when you habitually declare when debated with that not clearly ridiculous points were actually tongue in cheek.
Maybe I should just ignore your points
The problem is, Indy, most things I say in real life tend to be made with a high degree of irony and partially are thrown out to see what reaction comes back my way. It tends to be how my humour works. Americans love me (not).
But it doesn't easily translate to written word on a forum, my bad!
And please don't ignore me, I wouldn't like that at all!
Of course I won't. That was tongue in cheek, hence the wink.

Forums are rubbish, aren't they?

JonH · Tennis legend

In addition, since the above posts, Vacherot and von Assche have given a walkover and, I think, Michelsen and Tien have also withdrawn. Draw now shows 5 first round alts and 1 walkover due to a withdrawal - 6 out in a field of 28...

indiana · Tennis legend

JonH wrote:
In addition, since the above posts, Vacherot and von Assche have given a walkover and, I think, Michelsen and Tien have also withdrawn. Draw now shows 5 first round alts and 1 walkover due to a withdrawal - 6 out in a field of 28...

Farce!

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

JonH wrote:
In addition, since the above posts, Vacherot and von Assche have given a walkover and, I think, Michelsen and Tien have also withdrawn. Draw now shows 5 first round alts and 1 walkover due to a withdrawal - 6 out in a field of 28...

They have - mentioned in my post nearly an hour ago in response to your original one pointing out that Krawietz & Pütz are now due to face their THIRD pair of first round opponents.

JonH · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
JonH wrote:
In addition, since the above posts, Vacherot and von Assche have given a walkover and, I think, Michelsen and Tien have also withdrawn. Draw now shows 5 first round alts and 1 walkover due to a withdrawal - 6 out in a field of 28...
They have - mentioned in my post nearly an hour ago in response to your original one pointing out that Krawietz & Pütz are now due to face their THIRD pair of first round opponents.

Sorry, SC, just seen that and you are so right, it's impossible to keep up. And with places in the tour finals on the line, its not good for the optics IMO.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
L56: Quentin Halys (FRA) WR 46 defeated Arthur Fery WR 32 (= CH) by 7-6(6) 7-5

L32: (3) Ben Shelton (USA) WR 4 defeated Cameron Norrie WR 45 by 3 & 4

JonH · Tennis legend

Dang, but never in doubt

And that makes Arthur guaranteed as British year end number one- well done him!