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Canda · Lower Club Player

Winter Olympics

indiana · Tennis legend

paulisi wrote:
Worth watching the shot by Rebecca Morrison to effectively win the match against USA.
It's a miracle shot - probably make that once in 100 times, it was that difficult

It was a great shot, though post match Hazel Irvine put it to the curling pundit, Logan Grey, that would it be 9 out of 10 times you are not making it? - and he came back with 7 or 8 put of 10 you're not making it ( having just previously said it was unbelievable and that the degree of difficulty was off the scale ). Hmm. Canda, what would your expert opinion be?

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

paulisi wrote:
Worth watching the shot by Rebecca Morrison to effectively win the match against USA.
It's a miracle shot - probably make that once in 100 times, it was that difficult

As noted by me at the time & finally available full screen (as opposed to a picture shrunk to iPhone size) on iPlayer here. It includes the USA screw-up with the hammer shot in the final end. wink

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Out of interest we have a lot of experts here it seems!? Anyone actually ever played curling or watched it outside the Olympics!

Just kidding

But it is a thing, there seem to be a lot of armchair curling experts out there right now - Im not even sure Steve Cram has ever actually played

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Wednesday 18th of February 2026 07:57:10 PM

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
Out of interest we have a lot of experts here it seems!? Anyone actually ever played curling or watched it outside the Olympics!

Just kidding

But it is a think - Im not even sure Steve Cram has ever actually played

I'm definitely no expert. I just enjoy watching (& admiring) it at the Winter Olympics. The skill required in placing the stones & the strategies employed in countering opponents' moves are as intriguing as those exhibited by snooker & bowls players.

I doubt very much that Steve Cram has ever played it, but he appeared to have managed to turn himself into a commentator who seemed to know what he was talking about a couple of Winter Olympics ago (gotta fill the gap between summer & winter sports commentary somehow! wink ).

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
indiana wrote:
Looking at the schedule, tbf our women maybe actually have a better than my calling it "a very outside chance".

GB's last 2 matches ( clearly they still have to win both and hope ) are against low in the table Japan and Italy While the 3 teams on 5 wins ( Sweden are on 6 ) have on paper tougher looking matches to play including 2 of them meeting, USA ( 1 match left ) vs Switzerland ( 2 matches left ).

We could still win 2 curling golds.
I wish...
This is how the Beeb sees it:
GB still with work to do
If you missed it earlier, Team GB's women's curling team claimed victory from the jaws of defeat against the USA to keep alive their hopes of reaching the semi-finals.
Rebecca Morrison's rink head into another must-win meeting with bottom-of-the-table Japan later on Wednesday (18:05 GMT) before facing second-bottom Italy on Thursday (13:05).

Win over Japan in the bag (9-3)! There's still a glimmer of hope!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Does the fact Japan shook hands and conceded impact anything? I dont follow curling really so not sure if points difference has any relevance? Ie could we have gone onto win 11-3 or something and been better off?!

indiana · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
Does the fact Japan shook hands and conceded impact anything? I dont follow curling really so not sure if points difference has any relevance? Ie could we have gone onto win 11-3 or something and been better off?!

No, points difference is irrelevant. Lots of teams handshake during or before the theoretical last end.

The initial tiebreaks are head to heads. Then, if still unresolved, draw shot challenge.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Does the fact Japan shook hands and conceded impact anything? I dont follow curling really so not sure if points difference has any relevance? Ie could we have gone onto win 11-3 or something and been better off?!
No, points difference is irrelevant. Lots of teams handshake during or before the theoretical last end.
The initial tiebreaks are head to heads. Then, if still unresolved, draw shot challenge.

I see they already points allocated (centimeters?) for the draw shot challenge - is it an event or is it measured during the play thats already taken place? And what exactly is it? According to wiki British women have the lowest DSC score? Not sure if low is good or bad!?

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Wednesday 18th of February 2026 08:35:36 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Does the fact Japan shook hands and conceded impact anything? I dont follow curling really so not sure if points difference has any relevance? Ie could we have gone onto win 11-3 or something and been better off?!
No, points difference is irrelevant. Lots of teams handshake during or before the theoretical last end.
The initial tiebreaks are head to heads. Then, if still unresolved, draw shot challenge.
I see they already points allocated (centimeters?) for the draw shot challenge - is it an event or is it measured during the play thats already taken place? And what exactly is it?

Pass as to all what's involved. But no doubt to do with getting as close as possible to the centre. I imagined that it was a challenge played out if necessary after the normal group matches were concluded.

Canda · Lower Club Player

indiana wrote:
paulisi wrote:
Worth watching the shot by Rebecca Morrison to effectively win the match against USA.
It's a miracle shot - probably make that once in 100 times, it was that difficult
It was a great shot, though post match Hazel Irvine put it to the curling pundit, Logan Grey, that would it be 9 out of 10 times you are not making it? - and he came back with 7 or 8 put of 10 you're not making it ( having just previously said it was unbelievable and that the degree of difficulty was off the scale ). Hmm. Canda, what would your expert opinion be?

I wouldn't have called it a miracle shot, although with the pressure to pull off that shot, would certainly make it a lot harder. Sometimes you get lucky and a shot is even more perfect than you could have dreamed. That looked to me like a very considered, experienced, well judged shot, particularly the 'weight' of the shot ie the speed was very well judged. At this level of curling I would expect she has had a lot of experience in delivering that kind of shot. I always describe curling as like snooker on ice. You would expect a top snooker player to be able to judge a fine slice from the other end of the table - same with the best curlers. So happy for her!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Does the fact Japan shook hands and conceded impact anything? I dont follow curling really so not sure if points difference has any relevance? Ie could we have gone onto win 11-3 or something and been better off?!
No, points difference is irrelevant. Lots of teams handshake during or before the theoretical last end.
The initial tiebreaks are head to heads. Then, if still unresolved, draw shot challenge.
I see they already points allocated (centimeters?) for the draw shot challenge - is it an event or is it measured during the play thats already taken place? And what exactly is it?
Pass as to all what's involved. But no doubt to do with getting as close as possible to the centre. I imagined that it was a challenge played out if necessary after the normal group matches were concluded.

It appears the DSC is already played or in play? Maybe before the event? See table below

Draw 11 In Progress
Team v t e	Skip	Pld	W	L	WL	PF	PA	EW	EL	BE	SE	S%	DSC	Qualification
Sweden (Q)	Anna Hasselborg	9	7	2		65	50	45	32	5	14	81.7%	25.806	Playoffs
Switzerland (Q)	Silvana Tirinzoni	8	6	2		54	44	31	36	6	4	84.7%	39.229
United States	Tabitha Peterson	8	5	3	10	53	48	34	33	2	12	82.4%	37.621
South Korea	Gim Eun-ji	8	5	3	01	53	43	33	29	8	11	80.9%	20.064
Canada	Rachel Homan	7	4	3		58	45	34	29	2	7	81.0%	18.557

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Here we go - its done before each match and measured as an average

How the Draw Shot Challenge Works
Last Stone Draws (LSD): Before each round-robin game, two players from a team each deliver one stone toward the center of the house (the "tee" or "pin") on an empty sheet. The distance from the stone's final position to the center is measured in centimeters. One stone is delivered with a clockwise rotation, the other counter-clockwise, and the players and rotation alternate throughout the tournament to ensure fairness.
Calculation: The DSC is the average of all a team's individual LSD distances recorded during the round-robin stage. To ensure fairness and account for anomalies, the one or two least favorable (longest) distances are excluded from the calculation.
Ranking: The team with the lowest average distance (meaning they were more consistently accurate) receives the higher ranking.
Milano Cortina 2026

indiana · Tennis legend

Cheers Jom, yes I had just been reading up on it, so a cumulative measure from before each RR match.

indiana · Tennis legend

OK, going into tomorrow's final 4 women's matches we have :

Final matches : GB vs Italy, Switzerland vs USA, Canada vs South Korea. Japan vs China

Switzerland: Played 9, won 7, lost 2 ( into the SF )
Sweden: Played 8, won 6, lost 2 ( into the SF )

Canada: Played 8, won 5, lost 3
South Korea: Played 8, won 5 lost 3
( these two meet so one will move onto 6 wins and qualify for the SF )

USA: Played 8, won 5, lost 3 ( a win will see them into the SF )

GB; Played 8, won 4, lost 4 ( must win and hope )

Denmark: Played 9, won 4, lost 5 ( over and out )

The essentials for GB:
GB must beat Italy, and
Switzerland must beat USA ( to stop 4 teams going onto 4 or more wins ).

If these 2 results happen, we will he tied 4th with USA and either Canada or South Korea.

If we were then tied with USA and Canada, we should get the final SF spot on H2Hs since we would have beaten both USA and Canada ( so ideally we would prefer South Korea to beat Canada ).

If instead we were then tied with USA and South Korea, each nation would have won one and lost one in the results among the 3 of them - and then it appears draw shot challenge would resolve who the 4th semi finalist would be.

Thst's what I think anyway

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 18th of February 2026 10:23:58 PM