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Week 48 - ATP Challenger 50 - Challenger Cup - Islamabad, Pakistan (hard)


By the way, AI tells me the below: AI could be wrong but it feels correct, sadly

No, a tennis player who reaches a Challenger semifinal is not eligible for a Special Exempt (SE) entry into the following week's ITF M15 event.
Special Exempts allow a player to gain direct entry into the main draw of a subsequent tournament if they are still competing in the later rounds of the previous week's tournament and would otherwise have been accepted into the qualifying draw of the next event.
The key reasons for ineligibility in this specific scenario are:
Tier Discrepancy: A player is only eligible for an SE if the previous week's event and the following week's event are generally considered the same level or tier (e.g., Challenger to Challenger, M15 to M15, or sometimes one level up or down as specified in the rules). The ATP Challenger Tour is a significantly higher tier of competition than the ITF M15 World Tennis Tour events.
Ranking/Acceptance List: A player competing in a Challenger semifinal would typically have a sufficiently high ranking to be accepted directly into the main draw of an M15 event anyway, not the qualifying draw. The SE rule specifically applies to players who would have been in the qualifying draw of the next event.
Governing Bodies: ATP Challengers and ITF M15 events fall under different governing body regulations (ATP Tour vs. ITF World Tennis Tour), and the SE rules are generally applied within or between specific, compatible tour tiers as defined in their respective rulebooks.
In short, the player would already be committed to the higher-tier Challenger tournament and cannot "drop down" to an ITF M15 via a Special Exempt as the events are not considered equivalent for this rule's purpose.

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I think that AI is being totally logical here (as it always is) but AI can somtimes struggle with common sense, context and nuance. Let's see!



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From page 12 of the WTT regulations:

Qualified Tournament (related to Special Exempts) For M15 & M25 Tournaments: the Singles event of any M15, M25, ATP Tour or ATP Challenger Tournament within the same region in the preceding week is a Qualified Tournament.

So depends if they deem it the same region. What flexibility is in that.

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Madadman wrote:

From page 12 of the WTT regulations:

Qualified Tournament (related to Special Exempts) For M15 & M25 Tournaments: the Singles event of any M15, M25, ATP Tour or ATP Challenger Tournament within the same region in the preceding week is a Qualified Tournament.

So depends if they deem it the same region. What flexibility is in that.


 There you go, AI was unreliable!! Haha

Pakistan to Egypt - same region? It is a stretch, I would say. But they can make their own rules, I guess! 



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can there be a Special Exemption into the Main Draw where a player would have made the Qualifiers but having been a qualifier in the current tournament, has proved their worth such that they have reached the final and so is unable to play the qualifiers .. or must that be a Wild Card?

 

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-- Edited by B00thy on Friday 28th of November 2025 02:17:14 PM

 

more spelling ..



-- Edited by B00thy on Friday 28th of November 2025 02:17:37 PM

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JonH comes home wrote:
Madadman wrote:

From page 12 of the WTT regulations:

Qualified Tournament (related to Special Exempts) For M15 & M25 Tournaments: the Singles event of any M15, M25, ATP Tour or ATP Challenger Tournament within the same region in the preceding week is a Qualified Tournament.

So depends if they deem it the same region. What flexibility is in that.


 There you go, AI was unreliable!! Haha

Pakistan to Egypt - same region? It is a stretch, I would say. But they can make their own rules, I guess! 


 A1 was not 'unreliable' - it was wrong 

I've just been working on a file where the person has got a legal case 100% back to front - black is white, north is south 

And I have finally realised, from a bit of googling, that the person had based their reasoning on A1's understanding of the case which, needless to say, was also 100% back to front (there's a tiny procedural quirk which might be the reason that A1 got it the wrong way round but that hardly matters, it's just wrong) 



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Coup Droit wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Madadman wrote:

From page 12 of the WTT regulations:

Qualified Tournament (related to Special Exempts) For M15 & M25 Tournaments: the Singles event of any M15, M25, ATP Tour or ATP Challenger Tournament within the same region in the preceding week is a Qualified Tournament.

So depends if they deem it the same region. What flexibility is in that.


 There you go, AI was unreliable!! Haha

Pakistan to Egypt - same region? It is a stretch, I would say. But they can make their own rules, I guess! 


 A1 was not 'unreliable' - it was wrong 

I've just been working on a file where the person has got a legal case 100% back to front - black is white, north is south 

And I have finally realised, from a bit of googling, that the person had based their reasoning on A1's understanding of the case which, needless to say, was also 100% back to front (there's a tiny procedural quirk which might be the reason that A1 got it the wrong way round but that hardly matters, it's just wrong) 


 No, you are right definitely wrong!! Not unreliable - I am being too kind!!

BTW, did you mean to write A1 instead of AI? Or is that an abbreviation or acronym/spoof, I should take on board!? 

  



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No, that was human error

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Coup Droit wrote:

No, that was human error


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Actually, I have just been using copilot on some client work stuff. 

Taking the notes and outputs from a series of meetings/interviews/workshops and asking them to turn them into a cohesive set of actions and plans. 

It has actually done a really good job, a bit of language (not client specific enough) and some prioritisation I would change but the key elements are well structured and it has saved me possibly a half day of work. 

The next question is, does one reduce the "bill" by half a day or take the view that the output is the same and it is the output they are paying for and shouldnt care how much time went into the input side of the equation!!    

 



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Of course you don't reduce the bill

BUT if your competitors undercut you by reducing THEIR bills/tenders to relfect their use of AI you're going to have to as well

For me, AI generated stuff reads very well, it is slick, it is quite sophisticated in language, it is perfect for 'blah-blah' - but in terms of its substantive content, it is often really poor

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Coup Droit wrote:

Of course you don't reduce the bill

BUT if your competitors undercut you by reducing THEIR bills/tenders to relfect their use of AI you're going to have to as well

For me, AI generated stuff reads very well, it is slick, it is quite sophisticated in language, it is perfect for 'blah-blah' - but in terms of its substantive content, it is often really poor


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You definitely have to work through the output and sense check it and build/adapt it, for sure. But it certainly helps make sense of pages of notes and creates a good starting point!



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Zach stayed with Jay all set, had break points early in the set but Jay kept slightly on top and took it 7-5. Experience tells.

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Jay on top now, 5-2 second set.

Awaiting the winner in the final is Alkaya of Turkey. He plays mostly in Monastir events it seems; lost an M15 final to Oscar Weightman in August, got a win over James Connel last month.

Looking at his history, youd hope Jay would beat him, assuming he comes through against Zach.

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SF: (2) Jay Clarke WR 200 defeated Zach Stephens WR 1802 by 7-5 6-3

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Final: (6) Mert Alkaya (TUR) WR 473 vs (2) Jay Clarke WR 200

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Well done to Jay; but bigger well done to Zach on a break through week - he chose this event well and took full advantage

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