British Tennis Forum - Celebrating 20 Years!

28 votes now:

8 - Emily

7- Mika

3 - Mimi
2 - Cam, Harriet, Harry
1 - April, Henry, Jan, Victoria 

6 players without a vote. 

christ wrote:

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Whilst not disagreeing with the love shown for Ms Stojsavljevic and Ms Webley-Smith - both well deserved - I think that Mr Norrie's win has been shamefully undervalued. I can only assume that this is because the (voting) forum members consider that Mr Norrie will beat the world number one regularly.

I recall Ms Raducanu's US Open win being similarly "lucky", but she still got lots of votes for it!

(PS - I can't see myself ever voting for Ms Dart, regardless of her achievements)

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 There could be a lot to unpick here and I agree Cams achievement is undervalued - I say that not having voted for him, although he was my second choice. 

Cam, historically, has done ok in PoM votes - he has won 4 PoM awards over the years. Maybe expectations on him are higher than on some others and maybe that generally is the case for the top players; Jack has seldom done well. 

Generally, also, the women tend to do very slightly better - not always but on balance, perhaps reflecting that the board has a few more members who are fans of the womens game over the mens? And maybe that is reflected in the vote ie heart over head? It impacts me - I follow the mens game more and tend to vote more for the male players, not always but on balance.

Over the years we have had 72 PoM winners or tied winners and that breaks down 39 women to 33 men, probably not statistically significant but a slight preference for the women players. That said, PoS has been won by 3 men to 2 women. 

When we only have circa 35 to 45 voters each month, that very slight preference can make a small difference- but not enough to change how we do things or get worked up about or even worried about. The vote works well and most times I think we get the right winner with , sometimes, a pleasant surprise or two thrown in. Maybe this month will be a pleasant surprise!  

Interesting re Cam, and of course it was great to see him beat Alcaraz.

But he was nominated so is there to be voted for along with the others in a relatively strong month. I actually thought we might see a bit of a split vote among voters for the impressive body of work ( including some relatively big wins ) candidates, such l as Mika, Mimi Vic, and Harry ( particularly among the women players ) helping the very different Cam month.

Anyway, I certainly wouldn't myself say that Cam was undervalued, just that for all the differing reasons folk go for, he simply hasn't garnered the votes so far. And to my mind he is nowhere near in a similar category to 18yo Emma winning the US Open from qualifying ( with yes such as draw help ). I try to avoid such "why didn't folk vote for ..." calls but I recall making a public exception with that Emma month when, while she did win it easily, I couldn't fathom votes for anyone else ( other than later tactical votes for 2nd place ).

Dannythomas wrote:

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JonH comes home wrote:

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christ wrote:

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Whilst not disagreeing with the love shown for Ms Stojsavljevic and Ms Webley-Smith - both well deserved - I think that Mr Norrie's win has been shamefully undervalued. I can only assume that this is because the (voting) forum members consider that Mr Norrie will beat the world number one regularly.

I recall Ms Raducanu's US Open win being similarly "lucky", but she still got lots of votes for it!

(PS - I can't see myself ever voting for Ms Dart, regardless of her achievements)

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 There could be a lot to unpick here and I agree Cams achievement is undervalued - I say that not having voted for him, although he was my second choice. 

Cam, historically, has done ok in PoM votes - he has won 4 PoM awards over the years. Maybe expectations on him are higher than on some others and maybe that generally is the case for the top players; Jack has seldom done well. 

Generally, also, the women tend to do very slightly better - not always but on balance, perhaps reflecting that the board has a few more members who are fans of the womens game over the mens? And maybe that is reflected in the vote ie heart over head? It impacts me - I follow the mens game more and tend to vote more for the male players, not always but on balance.

Over the years we have had 72 PoM winners or tied winners and that breaks down 39 women to 33 men, probably not statistically significant but a slight preference for the women players. That said, PoS has been won by 3 men to 2 women. 

When we only have circa 35 to 45 voters each month, that very slight preference can make a small difference- but not enough to change how we do things or get worked up about or even worried about. The vote works well and most times I think we get the right winner with , sometimes, a pleasant surprise or two thrown in. Maybe this month will be a pleasant surprise!  

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Tuesday 4th of November 2025 10:15:42 AM

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I must admit that like the vast majority of tennis fans I also lean towards valuing singles results more than doubles ( other than perhaps a doubles slam trophy ) and also value slam and masters 1000 results as the most valued and toughest tournaments to excel and this is where Cam has had his best wins this year ! 

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 Of course Slams and Masters are generally the toughest tournaments to win, but we are not here ( or I'm not anyway ) here just to vote for the toughest tournament wins or best vs particuiar player wins. So I end up voting for Mika, Jon for Harry.

indiana wrote:

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Interesting re Cam, and of course it was great to see him beat Alcaraz.

But he was nominated so is there to be voted for along with the others in a relatively strong month. I actually thought we might see a bit of a split vote among voters for the impressive body of work ( including some relatively big wins ) candidates, such l as Mika, Mimi Vic, and Harry ( particularly among the women players ) helping the very different Cam month.

Anyway, I certainly wouldn't myself say that Cam was undervalued, just that for all the differing reasons folk go for, he simply hasn't garnered the votes so far. And to my mind he is nowhere near in a similar category to 18yo Emma winning the US Open from qualifying ( with yes such as draw help ). I try to avoid such "why didn't folk vote for ..." calls but I recall making a public exception with that Emma month when, while she did win it easily, I couldn't fathom votes for anyone else ( other than later tactical votes for 2nd place ).

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 There is also an emotional reaction - I recall that Emma vote and, you are right, there was really no contest in those months (she won 3 on the trot from July through September - we forget she got to the last 16 of Wimbledon, had a really good US Hardcourt run, and then won USO - USO wasn't just a complete flash in the pan!). By the time it got to PoS vote, I was Emma'd out and almost had a reaction that I knew I should vote for her, and knew she would win, but decided I wanted to vote for someone else who wasn't Emma - not really tactical as wanting to be different! 

I think one or two people do something similar each PoM - I think CD often votes for one of the juniors because they merit it in CD's mind and that is good. I am quite often going to vote for a wheelchair player if they have done really well, as I value the wheelchair game perhaps differently to some, ditto I will support doubles players quite often, whereas other's stick with singles. 

That is what makes it interesting and also makes the nominations interesting as they unfurl over the month