British Tennis Forum - Celebrating 20 Years!

stevemcqueen wrote:

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JonH comes home wrote:

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Monagasque, Vacherot, is into the last 8 here; he came into the event ranked 204.

www.atptour.com/en/news/vacherot-griekspoor-shanghai-2025-tuesday

Kudos

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 I love seeing a lower ranked player enjoy some success.  There is nothing in his recent results that suggest he would be capable of such a run. He has almost doubled his prize money for the year and his ranking will jump from outside the top 200  to 130.   Somehow I feel Holger  Rube will be too strong for him in the next round.  So Mr Vacherot, is this week  a flash in the pan or are you going to back it up with some more decent results?

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 There are one or two Monagasque players on the Tour and doing ok at the moment - Arneodo in doubles and Hugo Nys is also a handy doubles player as well.

Not sure if they are genuinely from Monaco or French transplants but it is the first time in some time that I have seen that small country/principality pop up at the top tier

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Wednesday 8th of October 2025 05:31:16 PM

stevemcqueen wrote:

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I had no idea about this!

https://www.atptour.com/en/news/rinderknech-vacherot-shanghai-2025-wednesday

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 Amazing! I also had no idea! 

And he wins it, in 3 sets, 6-4 final set.

Amazing story - he is now up to a live rank of 92, started the event at 204.

He won a few challengers in Asia last year, his CH is 110, so he has obviously been relatively high and dropped. This year, not so much, got a wild card into Monte Carlo and beat Struff round one; lost to Hamish Stewart at Wimbledon qualies, albeit Vacherot retired when he was about to lose that one; but hasn't achieved anything to suggest he would reach a M1000 semi.

Well done that man

Henry and Harri in a v tight MTB, 2 matchpoints now at 9-7

Two saved and the opponents now have a match point of their own, H and H serving at 9-10

And they lost it - dang. How did they lose that, seemed to be in control.

Oh well - theyve had a decent couple of weeks. Onto Stockholm, possibly, and the indoor courts then in Vienna and Paris

indiana wrote:

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JonH comes home wrote:

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The BBC gets into the court speed discussion, with a special input from Mr Bates

www.bbc.co.uk/sport/tennis/articles/cx2797zdke0o

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 Ha, so while Shanghai is much slower this year compared to 2017, all the other masters surfaces are quicker, some much quicker.

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 And it feels to me contradicts Federer's feeling that the tournaments have slowed down surfaces to enable a Sinner and Alcaraz final - doesnt tally with all of them speeding things up?!

The index only seems to be used for Masters 1000 events, not sure if there is anything available for the 4 Grand Slam events or Tour Finals - Tennis Abstract has a different methodology to come up with broadly similar results though, covering all ATP Tour events, from Slams down to ATP 250 events. 

https://tennisabstract.com/reports/atp_surface_speed.html

Here is a comparison between CPI and TA surface speed ratings, they are similar but not exactly the same - probably IW is seen to be slower by TA, and Canada also, but not by much 

Indian Wells - CPI 30.9 (medium slow); TA rating 0.73 (slow) - rating it slower than the CPI rating

Miami - CPI 40.7 (medium fast); TA rating 1.17 (medium fast)

Monte Carlo - CPI 29 (slow); TA rating 0.55 (slow)

Madrid - CPI 26.9 (slow); TA rating 0.78 (slow)

Rome - CPI 28.9 (slow); TA rating 0.60 (slow)

Canada - CPI 44.6 (medium fast); TA rating 1.02 (medium) - TA showing this as much slower than CPI suggests

Cinci - CPI 43 (medium fast); TA rating 1.20 (medium fast) 

Shanghai - CPI 32.8 (medium slow); TA rating 2024 1.09 (medium)

Paris - no CPI yet for 2025; 2024 TA rating 1.28 (medium fast)