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JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Weeks 31 & 32 - ATP Masters 1000 (National Bank Open) - Toronto, Canada (hard)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
QF: (2) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 7 (4+3) defeated Guido Andreozzi & Sander Arends (ARG/NED) CR 70 (46+24) by 7-6(5) 6-3

SF: (4) Kevin Krawietz & Tim Pütz (GER/GER) CR 19 (9+10) vs (2) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 7 (4+3)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

brilliant , Joe and Neal won 10-8 in the MTB!

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
SF: (4) Kevin Krawietz & Tim Pütz (GER/GER) CR 19 (9+10) vs (2) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 7 (4+3)

QF: (6) Joe Salisbury & Neal Skupski CR 30 (16+14) defeated (1) Marcelo Arévalo & Mate Pavic (ARG/CRO) CR 2 (1+1) by 6-7(3) 6-4 [10-8] biggrin

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
SF: (4) Kevin Krawietz & Tim Pütz (GER/GER) CR 19 (9+10) vs (2) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 7 (4+3)
QF: (6) Joe Salisbury & Neal Skupski CR 30 (16+14) defeated (1) Marcelo Arévalo & Mate Pavic (ARG/CRO) CR 2 (1+1) by 6-7(3) 6-4 [10-8]

SF: (6) Joe Salisbury & Neal Skupski CR 30 (16+14) vs Máximo González & Andrés Molteni (ARG/ARG) CR 50 (27+23)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

SF: (2) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 7 (4+3) defeated (4) Kevin Krawietz & Tim Pütz (GER/GER) CR 19 (9+10) by 6-3 7-6(2)

stevemcqueen · Futures level

I watched the second half of the 2nd set. Julian and Lloyd looked very, very good.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

jb288 wrote:
Winning streak up to 17 now!

18 now - this is some form they are showing. Certainly the top pair at this moment in time, great to see!

indiana · Tennis legend

If you allow for the points still to come off for last year from Montreal and Cincinnati ( Lloyd: 90 + 0, Arevalo & Pavic: 360 + 1000 ), Lloyd will already be effectively live ranked #1 going into Cinci ( 7630 points to 7415 ).

And Lloyd will add another 400 points if he & Julian win the final here.

Oh, and at the US Open, Lloyd is defending 90 points, Arevalo & Pavic are defendng 720.

So basically Lloyd has got into a very good position for possibly pretty soon being WR 1 ( and indeed Julian not a bad one to be WR 2 ).

Keep up the good work, guys!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
If you allow for the points still to come off for last year from Montreal and Cincinnati ( Lloyd: 90 + 0, Arevalo & Pavic: 360 + 1000 ), Lloyd will already be effectively live ranked #1 going into Cinci ( 7630 points to 7415 ).

And Lloyd will add another 400 points if he & Julian win the final here.

Oh, and at the US Open, Lloyd is defending 90 points, Arevalo & Pavic are defendng 720.

So basically Lloyd has got into a very good position for possibly pretty soon being WR 1 ( and indeed Julian not a bad one to be WR 2 ).

Keep up the good work, guys!

Thanks Indy - id thought of looking at that but youve saved me a job!

in terms of Lloyd and Julian, their own ranking difference is baked in for a while isnt it? since Julian was injured this spring and Lloyd okayed a few events without him? So presumably Lloyd will stay above Julian, all things being equal, for a long while?

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

According to their 5 week forecast points. Henry and Harri both gain 180 points in three weeks time, what causes that little upward bump? Julian has a jump up as well, from 7090 to 7215, so 125 points.Is something unwinding from their ranking?

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

If Joe and Neal win their semi tonight, Joe moves up to 12th, just behind Neal in 11th. They cant make top 10 yet, but after their season start, that would be great. And would move to 5th in the Race.

More importantly, we would have an all British final, all 4 players. Someone will tell me that happened recently but all 4 players in a masters final would appear to be a high watermark?

As Indy might say, good stuff!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

And to note, Lloyd and Julian have not won a masters 1000 before - this will their third final of the year, in the sixth masters event - so a 50 percent final hit rate as well as winning Wimbledon. Basically making the final of half the big events. Kudos.

indiana · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
According to their 5 week forecast points. Henry and Harri both gain 180 points in three weeks time, what causes that little upward bump? Julian has a jump up as well, from 7090 to 7215, so 125 points.Is something unwinding from their ranking?

Hmm, I can partly see what the site is trying to do but whiie getting it overall right for the others I believe it has got it wrong for Julian and Henry ( & Harri ).

Because of the different dates this year there is a bit of taking off 19th counters to add in early Canada and later adding them back in again.

However Julian shouldn't have 125 added back in because he has 0 from Canada last year, not as a mandatory but because he didn't play it at all.

Henry and Harri are due to add back 180, taking them from 6330 to 6510 but should then have 180 taken off for Cinci last year, knocking them back to 6330.

I think the easiest way to get to what their live rankings for 18/08 post Cinci should be is to look at it more as a whole rather than fathoming out the week to week rankings. And basically that is 28/07 ranking points then take off 2024 Canada and Cinci ( * 19th counter instead of Canada for Julian since he didn't play Canada ) and add in Canada 2025.

So we have ( with totals as per my previous post )

Lloyd: 7120 - 90 - 0 + 600 (so far) = 7630

Arevalo & Pavic: 8595 - 360 - 1000 + 180 = 7415

But :

Julian: 6615 - 125* - 0 + 600 (so far) = 7090

Henry ( & Harri ): 6420 - 0 - 180 + 90 = 6330

Then whatever they get from Cinci 2025 should give the post Cinci 2025 ranking points.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
According to their 5 week forecast points. Henry and Harri both gain 180 points in three weeks time, what causes that little upward bump? Julian has a jump up as well, from 7090 to 7215, so 125 points.Is something unwinding from their ranking?
Hmm, I can partly see what the site is trying to do but whiie getting it overall right for the others I believe it has got it wrong for Julian and Henry ( & Harri ).
Because of the different dates this year there is a bit of taking off 19th counters to add in early Canada and later adding them back in again.
However Julian shouldn't have 125 added back in because he has 0 from Canada last year, not as a mandatory but because he didn't play it at all.
Henry and Harri are due to add back 180, taking them from 6330 to 6510 but should then have 180 taken off for Cinci last year, knocking them back to 6330.
I think the easiest way to get to what their live rankings for 18/08 post Cinci should be is to look at it more as a whole rather than fathoming out the week to week rankings. And basically that is 28/07 ranking points then take off 2024 Canada and Cinci ( * 19th counter instead of Canada for Julian since he didn't play Canada ) and add in Canada 2025.
So we have ( with totals as per my previous post )
Lloyd: 7120 - 90 - 0 + 600 (so far) = 7630
Arevalo & Pavic: 8595 - 360 - 1000 + 180 = 7415
But :
Julian: 6615 - 125* - 0 + 600 (so far) = 7090
Henry ( & Harri ): 6420 - 0 - 180 + 90 = 6330
Then whatever they get from Cinci 2025 should give the post Cinci 2025 ranking points.

Got it, thanks Indy - boy, youre good!