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JonH comes home · Tennis legend

RE: Week 30 - ATP 500 - Mubadala Citi Open - Washington, DC, USA (hard)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
And luck ha

When Serena Wiegman (sp?) calls it quits, I reckon England need Gareth Southgate to take on the role - need to practice those penalties! (And I speak as a big Gareth fan!).

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
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Stircrazy · Tennis legend

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Var · Futures qualifying

JonH comes home wrote:
indiana wrote:
And luck ha
When Serena Wiegman (sp?) calls it quits, I reckon England need Gareth Southgate to take on the role - need to practice those penalties! (And I speak as a big Gareth fan!).

Dont think so he never lifted a trophy unlike the lionesses!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Its true but no male manager has!

Gareth did have lots of penalty experience though and the Lionesses arent proving to be brilliant at those! Lucky but not brilliant. But who cares, they are in another final, and look forward to seeing how they get on!

Spireman · Club Coach

JonH comes home wrote:
Its true but no male manager has!

Gareth did have lots of penalty experience though and the Lionesses arent proving to be brilliant at those! Lucky but not brilliant. But who cares, they are in another final, and look forward to seeing how they get on!

Not true ...Sir Alf Ramsey lifted a trophy. Let's not forget the one we did win, even though I've been waiting ever since for another one!

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Spireman wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Its true but no male manager has!

Gareth did have lots of penalty experience though and the Lionesses arent proving to be brilliant at those! Lucky but not brilliant. But who cares, they are in another final, and look forward to seeing how they get on!
Not true ...Sir Alf Ramsey lifted a trophy. Let's not forget the one we did win, even though I've been waiting ever since for another one!

Ha, duh. Forgot about that (how could I!) I was just one year old at the time though!

indiana · Tennis legend

The English women have been taking penalties very seriously, practicing them and establishing routines in training, and establishing a shoot-out order dependant on who is finally on the pitch. Sarina and the players have said so.

On the day of the shoot-out there were quite a few **** penalties and yesterday's wasn't great. It can happen on the day,, like England men losing the Euros final on penalties under Southgate.

Anyway, great to see an English football supporter not just not mentioning 1966 but forgetting it existed

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 01:40:58 PM

wolf · Tennis legend

Personally I'd rather have a manager that's brave enough to win I regulation time (which we do in the women) not just settling for penalties and practicing for that.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

BTW, I am being tongue in cheek about Gareth, in case anyone wondered - a) no way he would get the job or take the job b) heavy element of irony as Gareth is hardly linked to good penalty taking, rather the opposite!!

I think the England women have done great - not bee easy, but tournament football never is and the team that plays the most attractive football doesnt always win; we have shown spirit and fight in abundance and the substitutions have changed the course of the games, as they did in the last Euros and World Cup; Serena seems to excel in getting those spot on. Gareth was also never known for his excellent substitutions, sadly!

indiana · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
BTW, I am being tongue in cheek about Gareth, in case anyone wondered - a) no way he would get the job or take the job b) heavy element of irony as Gareth is hardly linked to good penalty taking, rather the opposite!!

I think the England women have done great - not bee easy, but tournament football never is and the team that plays the most attractive football doesnt always win; we have shown spirit and fight in abundance and the substitutions have changed the course of the games, as they did in the last Euros and World Cup; Serena seems to excel in getting those spot on. Gareth was also never known for his excellent substitutions, sadly!

Yes, Sarina seems to influence matches during the course of them. Gareth has often been accused of simply not doing that but letting things drift, not just re substitutions, when the dynamics of a match have changed. I think there is a fair amount of evidence to support this. To me, a good man manager, not international class ( or top club class? ) as a tactical manager. He doesn't seem to hsve been flooded by job offers.

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 23rd of July 2025 01:34:42 PM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
BTW, I am being tongue in cheek about Gareth, in case anyone wondered - a) no way he would get the job or take the job b) heavy element of irony as Gareth is hardly linked to good penalty taking, rather the opposite!!

I think the England women have done great - not bee easy, but tournament football never is and the team that plays the most attractive football doesnt always win; we have shown spirit and fight in abundance and the substitutions have changed the course of the games, as they did in the last Euros and World Cup; Serena seems to excel in getting those spot on. Gareth was also never known for his excellent substitutions, sadly!
Yes, Serena seems to influence matches during the course of them. Gareth has often been accused of simply not doing that but letting things drift, not just re substitutions, when the dynamics of a match have changed. I think there is a fair amount of evidence to support this. To me, a good man manager, not international class ( or top club class? ) as a tactical manager. He doesn't seem to hsve been flooded by job offers.

His man management was excellent, IMO, and he was the perfect man for that 2018 World Cup in Russia, gave us our pride back. He should have had someone around him to help with tactics etc. And he was great with the press, I thought, thoughtful, communicative. Right man at the moment, it petered out when we got to the World Cup in Qatar.

I think he has been proven as someone that works well in that international sphere, not sure anyone will take him back at top club level. And anything else will be a drop down I would have thought - not that he needs the money, wasnt he on £3m a year for the 5 or 6 years he had the job?

He has a massive great mansion house on Fewston Reservoir near here and we see him now and then in some of the local restaurants in town. I have spoken to him a couple of times and he is a really nice and respectable guy, with a nice family.

Having said all of that, Tuchel doesnt seem to be taking the team on leaps and bounds tactically or in terms of cohesion, we need to be careful what we ask for sometimes - right now we are team that is less than the sum of its parts, I reckon. But that has been the case for a long while!

PS sorry for hijacking the thread.

Spireman · Club Coach

After the England/Sweden penalties I wondered if there was a parallel to tennis serves. In that in tennis men are bigger and stronger so hit more aces than women, with both male and female receivers having equal reaction times and so on. If same true in football you might expect more penalties to be saved in women's football, with less hard penalty kicks but equal reaction time goalkeepers. (If generally a bit shorter keepers). However then I watched Germany (who else?) and France take penalties and a lot fewer were saved! Of course out of all the unscored pens in England Sweden I think two went over the bar, one hit the post and the last unscored England one looked a very nervous softly hit one. I was thinking more of the quite decent efforts to the middle or sides that get saved really.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

It's Sarina!