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Coup Droit · Tennis legend

RE: Weeks 27 & 28 - The Championships, Wimbledon (Womens') (grass) - main draw

goldfish · Futures level

Seeds playing today #7 #8 #10 #11 #16 #17 #18 #19 #23 #28

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Peter too wrote:
Half the seeds have fallen already, including seeds 2,3,4,5 and R2 is not yet finished.
It's quite amazing
And these things happen - people are frantically trying to find a reason - and there may be one - but there doesn;t have to be any reason - on any bell curve of results, there's an end that is perfectly 'normal', even if rare
But it's true that, net net, we have lost so far:
#2, #3, #4, #5, #9, #12, #15, #20, #21, #22, #25, #26, #27, #29, #31, #32
AND, as Peter says, we've still got a whole half of R2 matches to go

And the men have lost 15 and still have several unfinished round 2 matches from the first batch of round 2! Mayhem all round

PaulM · Tennis legend

Go back to 16 seeds!

indiana · Tennis legend

PaulM wrote:
Go back to 16 seeds!

Why?

Var · Futures qualifying

Was 2013 the worst year at Wimbledon for seeds going out early in the completion?. We have already lost the winner of Queens , others who did well there have fallen by the wayside as have the Eastbourne winner and runner up. Not enough grass court practice? I dont know but I love watching Coco and was sad to see her go. Still recovering from the FO win. I was sad to see Katie go out as well. Watched her match and she looked like a different player from her first round match so something must be up. Hope she recovers soon.

PaulM · Tennis legend

Because I liked it! It was introduced to help protect the higher ranked players in the first couple of rounds and preserve big matches until later on. But if they are all just going to lose anyway I say go back to the old way.

indiana · Tennis legend

PaulM wrote:
Because I liked it! It was introduced to help protect the higher ranked players in the first couple of rounds and preserve big matches until later on. But if they are all just going to lose anyway I say go back to the old way.

Doesn't achieve anything going back and in general remains early rounds protection in Slams from the generally stronger players ranked 17 to 32 ( which I like ).

So just really on one particular ( I assume pretty exceptional ) Slam first couple of rounds I wouldn't be going back.

I certainly see no advantages in doing so.

-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 3rd of July 2025 09:33:34 AM

Var · Futures qualifying

Have to say this is a global discussion. NY Herald wonder where all of their contenders have gone, Aussies arent too bad but still asking questions.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Meanwhile there have been some great matches and interesting stories so far - its been one of the best openings to Wimbledon in recent years, for me.

Peter too · Tennis legend

What has been unusual at this year's Wimbledon has been the heat, so perhaps that is why so many seeds have fallen early.

As has been pointed out seeding is now based entirely on ranking points accrued in the previous 12 months. It has not always been so, it used to be based on ranking AND a player's performance on grass. So some players, often British ones were seeded higher than they would be on ranking alone.

Peter too · Tennis legend

PaulM wrote:
Go back to 16 seeds!

We have already lost seven of the top 16 seeds with five more R2 top 16 matches to go. With another sixteen strong but unseeded players in the mix the top 16 seed loss would likely be even higher.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Peter too wrote:
PaulM wrote:
Go back to 16 seeds!
We have already lost seven of the top 16 seeds with five more R2 top 16 matches to go. With another sixteen strong but unseeded players in the mix the top 16 seed loss would likely be even higher.

Good point

I don't see any benefit to the 16 seeds either

Although I have total respect (and fondness) for PaulM's answer to 'why'?, namely: "because I like it" biggrin

PaulM · Tennis legend

Why is potentially losing more top 16 seeds in the early rounds automatically a bad thing? Everyone moans when they steamroll through unchallenged to the second week, and when upsets happen people moan a bunch of big names have gone out early doors.

And CD thank you. It's a valid basis for an opinion haha!