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Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Weeks 27 & 28 - The Championships, Wimbledon (grass) - main draw

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

L64: Nuno Borges (POR) WR 37 defeated Billy Harris WR 151 by 6-3 6-4 7-6(7)

Billy had his chances in that tie-break. hmm Interesting that, although the line-calling is now electronic, there is no longer a net cord device, so it's a judgment call by the umpire!

Blue_Belle · County player

Danny1312 wrote:
What a win from Cam! Ground Tiafoe down!

If it's one thing Cam can do, it's grind.

So nice to see him back. Hope it continues for the rest of the year

emmsie69 · Top national player

Stircrazy wrote:
L64: Nuno Borges (POR) WR 37 defeated Billy Harris WR 151 by 6-3 6-4 7-6(7)
Billy had his chances in that tie-break. Interesting that, although the line-calling is now electronic, there is no longer a net cord device, so it's a judgment call by the umpire!

I think they need to revisit the reliance on electronic line calling and certainly the net cord judge needs reinstating.. There was 1 point in the tiebreak that literally everyone including Nunes thought the ball was in, hence my observation that there is no backup. Even the people who designed hawkeye say it's not infallible so I do think there needs to be a backup.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
L64: Nuno Borges (POR) WR 37 defeated Billy Harris WR 151 by 6-3 6-4 7-6(7)
Billy had his chances in that tie-break. Interesting that, although the line-calling is now electronic, there is no longer a net cord device, so it's a judgment call by the umpire!
I think they need to revisit the reliance on electronic line calling and certainly the net cord judge needs reinstating.. There was 1 point in the tiebreak that literally everyone including Nunes thought the ball was in, hence my observation that there is no backup. Even the people who designed hawkeye say it's not infallible so I do think there needs to be a backup.

I personally prefer the drama of the lines person calling and the ability to make a challenge. But I guess that is old school now. But what would the back up be for a line call when Hawkeye was the back up in the old days? Cant use Hawkeye to back up Hawkeye?

emmsie69 · Top national player

JonH comes home wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
L64: Nuno Borges (POR) WR 37 defeated Billy Harris WR 151 by 6-3 6-4 7-6(7)
Billy had his chances in that tie-break. Interesting that, although the line-calling is now electronic, there is no longer a net cord device, so it's a judgment call by the umpire!
I think they need to revisit the reliance on electronic line calling and certainly the net cord judge needs reinstating.. There was 1 point in the tiebreak that literally everyone including Nunes thought the ball was in, hence my observation that there is no backup. Even the people who designed hawkeye say it's not infallible so I do think there needs to be a backup.
I personally prefer the drama of the lines person calling and the ability to make a challenge. But I guess that is old school now. But what would the back up be for a line call when Hawkeye was the back up in the old days? Cant use Hawkeye to back up Hawkeye?

Not used as a backup in terms of over ruling a call but historically the BBC would show multiple angles, they never show a replay of a close call now, only the hawk eye replay. I'm wondering if that is contractual.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
L64: Nuno Borges (POR) WR 37 defeated Billy Harris WR 151 by 6-3 6-4 7-6(7)

L64: (2) Carlos Alcaraz (ESP) WR 2 defeated (Q) Oliver Tarvet WR 733 by 1, 4 & 4

From what I saw of the match, Ollie did not disgrace himself. Let's hope that appearance on Centre was just the first of many.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
L64: Nuno Borges (POR) WR 37 defeated Billy Harris WR 151 by 6-3 6-4 7-6(7)
Billy had his chances in that tie-break. Interesting that, although the line-calling is now electronic, there is no longer a net cord device, so it's a judgment call by the umpire!
I think they need to revisit the reliance on electronic line calling and certainly the net cord judge needs reinstating.. There was 1 point in the tiebreak that literally everyone including Nunes thought the ball was in, hence my observation that there is no backup. Even the people who designed hawkeye say it's not infallible so I do think there needs to be a backup.

No backup

Ever

The whole point (and it's a glorious success, IMO) is that it is neutral and non-negotiable

So there may be some calls people disagree with - in the same way people disagreed with hawkeye - and people very much disagreed with linespeople

But no disagreements result in anything

that's the whole glory

Players play better, they behave better, it's purer, the antics and grandstanding has gone

And, of course, the manaufacturers have to calibrate it properly, and windy conditions or whatever may cause a problem, but no problems are anywhere near as bad linespeople - there's no argument about favouritism, no argument about the old, blind one on the lefthand line, no intimidation tactics (seeing Jelena try it in Sonay's match was hysterical)

So no backups, IMO - just like haweye - it's neutral, it's fair, it's probably right 99.9% of the time (and who's to say when it isn't?)

Jan · Hall of fame

Ollie played some great tennis - he should be very proud!

indiana · Tennis legend

Didn't see it apart from the last few points ( which weren't very good, mate ) but it does look another very well done by Ollie!

Holding on in there for maybe the top 400 ( from just 6 counters, 1 quite big ) at now live ranked 394. Live #15 Brit, just ahead of Paul Jubb and Henry Searle.

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 2nd of July 2025 05:48:45 PM

emmsie69 · Top national player

Coup Droit wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
L64: Nuno Borges (POR) WR 37 defeated Billy Harris WR 151 by 6-3 6-4 7-6(7)
Billy had his chances in that tie-break. Interesting that, although the line-calling is now electronic, there is no longer a net cord device, so it's a judgment call by the umpire!
I think they need to revisit the reliance on electronic line calling and certainly the net cord judge needs reinstating.. There was 1 point in the tiebreak that literally everyone including Nunes thought the ball was in, hence my observation that there is no backup. Even the people who designed hawkeye say it's not infallible so I do think there needs to be a backup.
No backup
Ever
The whole point (and it's a glorious success, IMO) is that it is neutral and non-negotiable
So there may be some calls people disagree with - in the same way people disagreed with hawkeye - and people very much disagreed with linespeople
But no disagreements result in anything
that's the whole glory
Players play better, they behave better, it's purer, the antics and grandstanding has gone
And, of course, the manaufacturers have to calibrate it properly, and windy conditions or whatever may cause a problem, but no problems are anywhere near as bad linespeople - there's no argument about favouritism, no argument about the old, blind one on the lefthand line, no intimidation tactics (seeing Jelena try it in Sonay's match was hysterical)
So no backups, IMO - just like haweye - it's neutral, it's fair, it's probably right 99.9% of the time (and who's to say when it isn't?)

They do at the moment because it's new but if there is a hint of it not being accurate then they will start complaining. It's literally no different to pre hawkeye.

Pre hawkeye it was pointless arguing with the line judge because they weren't going to change their call (although players still did). The BBC would show endless different angles to either prove the line judge was correct or incorrect. I find it odd that they aren't doing the same with hawkeye.

I'm not particularly bothered by electronic line calling (other than people losing their jobs, something I feel quite strongly about and not just in Tennis, I am that person that still uses the manned checkout at the Supermarket)

LordBrownof · Futures level

Great match to watch and Carlos, as ever, classy and gracious.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
[...] I am that person that still uses the manned checkout at the Supermarket

You're not the only one, Emma. I've tried supermarket self-checkouts once or twice, but on almost every occasion, something's gone wrong & I've had to wait for an assistant to come to my assistance & sort it out. I now make a point of going to the manned check-outs, even if there's only one in operation, which is often the case in Sainsbury's. Waitrose is a bit better, but it's a bit further away, so I don't go there so often.

Elegant Point · Futures qualifying

Stircrazy wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
L64: Nuno Borges (POR) WR 37 defeated Billy Harris WR 151 by 6-3 6-4 7-6(7)
L64: (2) Carlos Alcaraz (ESP) WR 2 defeated (Q) Oliver Tarvet WR 733 by 1, 4 & 4
From what I saw of the match, Ollie did not disgrace himself. Let's hope that appearance on Centre was just the first of many.

Ollie definitely had chances, but hit a lot of balls down the middle as unable to change direction. Carlos didnt have to move much. While many of the top 500 men can hit the ball incredibly hard, often with more power than viewers realise on TV it's their exceptional ball control that truly sets the top players apart.

IMO consistently placing the ball precisely where they want, maintaining accuracy under pressure, and adjusting shot placement in real-time are what differentiate the elite from the rest. This mastery of ball control allows them to construct points intelligently, exploit opponents' weaknesses, and stay composed during crucial moments, ultimately elevating their game beyond mere power.

Love the role college tennis has in developing so many of our players smile

N.B. The iPad has removed all my punctuation hmm

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Wednesday 2nd of July 2025 07:31:37 PM

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
L64: Cameron Norrie WR 61 defeated (12) Frances Tiafoe (USA) WR 12 by 4-6 6-4 6-3 7-5

L32: Mattia Bellucci (ITA) WR 73 (CH = 66 in April) vs Cameron Norrie WR 61

If Billy can beat him in straight sets (Eastbourne),...