British Tennis Forum - Celebrating 20 Years!

Rich2310 wrote:

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Really happy to see Kyle get his win. So want him to get back up there to at least the top 200.

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 I checked in at one point and Kyle looked to be a break or two behind in the final set, so seems he did really well to come back ..

9vicman wrote:

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pauldepstein wrote:

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indiana wrote:

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So potentially be Kyie vs Liam for a Wimbledon Q WC. Who'd have imagined that one a few years ago?!

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   I think this type of thing happens all the time.  The amount of prize money at Challengers and Futures level is expanding (though it's still nowhere near enough)

so players who fall from 14 to 400 or so (which isn't at all rare) don't have to retire.  That's why we see such matches more often now than 30 years ago.

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 I think more the fact that it's those two players. Both of whom have had career defining injuries.

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 I think also players like Kyle, Liam, Evo, Cilic , Stan that have gone down the rankings, have made a bit of money, feel they can still do something in the game and get back to a decent ranking, and in essence enjoy tennis enough still and the lifestyle that they can afford financially to sustain playing at the lower levels- ITF money has improved a bit but it isnt much still and not enough to sustain playing at that level for long without some readies behind you.

JonH comes home wrote:

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9vicman wrote:

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pauldepstein wrote:

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indiana wrote:

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So potentially be Kyie vs Liam for a Wimbledon Q WC. Who'd have imagined that one a few years ago?!

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   I think this type of thing happens all the time.  The amount of prize money at Challengers and Futures level is expanding (though it's still nowhere near enough)

so players who fall from 14 to 400 or so (which isn't at all rare) don't have to retire.  That's why we see such matches more often now than 30 years ago.

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 I think more the fact that it's those two players. Both of whom have had career defining injuries.

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 I think also players like Kyle, Liam, Evo, Cilic , Stan that have gone down the rankings, have made a bit of money, feel they can still do something in the game and get back to a decent ranking, and in essence enjoy tennis enough still and the lifestyle that they can afford financially to sustain playing at the lower levels- ITF money has improved a bit but it isnt much still and not enough to sustain playing at that level for long without some readies behind you.

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         With regard to sliding from greatness to way down the rankings in earlier eras, Kafelnikov comes to mind.  He was at the absolute top of the game -- definitely top 10.  However, when he aged and was ranked in the 100 to 200 area, he continued playing which was unusual at the time.  And of course Agassi went from World No. 1 (or close to it) down to Challenger level and then back up to World No. 1.  (I'm not googling to verify this so take it with a pinch of salt.)

pauldepstein wrote:

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JonH comes home wrote:

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 I think also players like Kyle, Liam, Evo, Cilic , Stan that have gone down the rankings, have made a bit of money, feel they can still do something in the game and get back to a decent ranking, and in essence enjoy tennis enough still and the lifestyle that they can afford financially to sustain playing at the lower levels- ITF money has improved a bit but it isnt much still and not enough to sustain playing at that level for long without some readies behind you.

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         Wikipedia gives Liam a highest ranking of 93 (which is about what I would have guessed) so it's a bit odd to compare him with these others. 

         Also, it wouldn't normally make him particularly affluent (which is implied by "a bit of money") unless there is some other generous backing or sponsorship.

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As posted in my rejigged draw on page 4:

PQR1:  Liam Broady WR 595 (CH = 93 in September 2023 (*) ) vs (pq4) Stuart Parker WR 443 (CH = 346 in October 2022)

(*) as per his details on the ATP site 

PQQF:  (pq1) Alastair Gray WR 371 defeated Aidan McHugh WR 496 by 3 & 4