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paulisi · Tennis legend

RE: Week 19 - WTA1000 - Rome, Italy Clay

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

LTR shows Emma ahead on the 5 weeks forecast, presumably post Nottingham points falling off.

indiana · Tennis legend

paulisi wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Var wrote:
Peter too wrote:
R3: Emma Raducanu (GBR) WR49 def Veronika Kudermetova (***) WR50 (CH=9 2022) 5-7 6-0 6-1

R4: Emma Raducanu (GBR) WR49 v Coco Gauff (USA) [4] WR3
They met in the Australian Open in 2023 with Coco winning 3 & 6(4).

-- Edited by Peter too on Sunday 11th of May 2025 01:38:10 PM
Should be a good match and a good indicator as to where Emma is on clay. Looks like Emma is around WTA 42, just two places behind Katie.
I think Emma will be no1 after the French Championships.
I think that is a fairly safe bet given Katie's struggles on clay.

Though if Emma goes into RG still behind Katie ( who lost in RG R1 year ), Emma would still have to win a round of two whatever Katie does, to overtake her. And while Emma is clearly the much better clay court player she could get a horrid draw and go out in R1.

If not after RG, and indeed if not during the grass season ( although Katie's big grass 2024 points coming off project her falling behind Emma, she might of course add back in some pretty big grass 2025 points, as might Emma ), I do think Emma GB #1 again is coming some place, some time. Might yet be after here in Rome. Go Emma vs Coco!

dodrade · Futures qualifying

indiana wrote:
paulisi wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Var wrote:
Peter too wrote:
R3: Emma Raducanu (GBR) WR49 def Veronika Kudermetova (***) WR50 (CH=9 2022) 5-7 6-0 6-1

R4: Emma Raducanu (GBR) WR49 v Coco Gauff (USA) [4] WR3
They met in the Australian Open in 2023 with Coco winning 3 & 6(4).

-- Edited by Peter too on Sunday 11th of May 2025 01:38:10 PM
Should be a good match and a good indicator as to where Emma is on clay. Looks like Emma is around WTA 42, just two places behind Katie.
I think Emma will be no1 after the French Championships.
I think that is a fairly safe bet given Katie's struggles on clay.
Though if Emma goes into RG still behind Katie ( who lost in RG R1 year ), Emma would still have to win a round of two whatever Katie does, to overtake her. And while Emma is clearly the much better clay court player she could get a horrid draw and go out in R1.
If not after RG, and indeed if not during the grass season ( although Katie's big grass 2024 points coming off project her falling behind Emma, she might of course add back in some pretty big grass 2025 points, as might Emma ), I do think Emma GB #1 again is coming some place, some time. Might yet be after here in Rome. Go Emma vs Coco!

Would it be better for GB if Emma was no.1 for the BJK Cup finals?

Blue_Belle · Club Coach

dodrade wrote:
indiana wrote:
paulisi wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Var wrote:
Peter too wrote:
R3: Emma Raducanu (GBR) WR49 def Veronika Kudermetova (***) WR50 (CH=9 2022) 5-7 6-0 6-1

R4: Emma Raducanu (GBR) WR49 v Coco Gauff (USA) [4] WR3
They met in the Australian Open in 2023 with Coco winning 3 & 6(4).

-- Edited by Peter too on Sunday 11th of May 2025 01:38:10 PM
Should be a good match and a good indicator as to where Emma is on clay. Looks like Emma is around WTA 42, just two places behind Katie.
I think Emma will be no1 after the French Championships.
I think that is a fairly safe bet given Katie's struggles on clay.
Though if Emma goes into RG still behind Katie ( who lost in RG R1 year ), Emma would still have to win a round of two whatever Katie does, to overtake her. And while Emma is clearly the much better clay court player she could get a horrid draw and go out in R1.
If not after RG, and indeed if not during the grass season ( although Katie's big grass 2024 points coming off project her falling behind Emma, she might of course add back in some pretty big grass 2025 points, as might Emma ), I do think Emma GB #1 again is coming some place, some time. Might yet be after here in Rome. Go Emma vs Coco!
Would it be better for GB if Emma was no.1 for the BJK Cup finals?

Will she play...? Is possibly a better question.

9vicman · Satellite level

The players have to be in China anyway. No reason not to play.

wimbledont · Lower Club Player

Emma and Coco are warming up.

By the ITF's reckoning, this will be Emma's 200th match in women's (i.e. not juniors) tennis. Coco, younger, is playing her 350th.

-- Edited by wimbledont on Monday 12th of May 2025 01:19:07 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

Coco takes the first set 6-1

Anyone had the pleasure (?) of watching it?

Jajon · Club Coach

Coco playing really well tbf- a lot better than in last few matches i have seen her in (lowkey including the swiatek match)

aka her forehand is doing damage rather than falling apart

-- Edited by Jajon on Monday 12th of May 2025 02:01:25 PM

wimbledont · Lower Club Player

The scoreline doesnt flatter Emma, who is moving well, except perhaps when coming forward - but Coco has been the better player so far.

-- Edited by wimbledont on Monday 12th of May 2025 02:05:27 PM

kundalini · Specialist Reporter + Intermediate Club Player

One of these two players has some understanding of how to construct points on clay, the other doesn't. Despite this, Emma has chosen to play passively the vast majority of the time. In the first set Coco had 3 aces, 4 unreturned 1st serves and one unreturned 2nd, while Emma had just 2 unreturned 1st serves; which is a fair reflection of the quality of her serving.

Why did I rearrange my day to watch this garbage ?

Var · Satellite level

Emma outclassed here so far against the world number two.

Peter too · Tennis legend

R4: Emma Raducanu (GBR) WR49 lost to Coco Gauff (USA) [4] WR3 1-6 2-6

kundalini · Specialist Reporter + Intermediate Club Player

Horrendous performance from Emma on so many different levels. Abysmal execution on the few occasions she chose to be aggressive. Passive first serves. Careless errors on routine shots.

How do you even build on a performance like that ? If she attacked and missed, she could practice attacking shots to improve her chances in the future.

I do wonder if her body can cope with back to back matches, in this case Sunday then Monday. Her serving was bizarre unless she is incapable of blasting it.

Sheddie · administrator

This was always going to be a bit of a step up for Emma - I'd have to say that after Sabalenka, Coco's perhaps second favourite for the French Open, especially with Iga's form disintegrating at a rate of kn knots. Clay is arguably her favourite surface, while like Jake, Emma's still learning to slide in and out of the corners and how to adapt her game.

Impressive progress this week, particularly with the newly aggressive game, and she could have gone further if she hadn't run into Coco who offers such a different test to the likes of Kudermetova or Jill Teichmann, blending power with her astonishing retrieving abilities. But my view now is that Emma is definitely capable of making second week at Roland Garros with a decent draw.

Overall things seem to be progressing well with Petch - hopefully a decent French Open and then a big grass court season, especially with the new WTA Queens event.

Would love to know kundalini's future forecast for Emma's clay court career? I remember reading a kundalini analysis of a young Andy's clay court game back in 2006, forecasting that while he had a lot of learning to do on the surface, he had the tools to one day make a Roland Garros final, which he duly did a decade later.