Week 1 - ATP 250 - Brisbane, Australia (outdoor hard)

B00thy · Lower Club Player

RE: Week 1 - ATP 250 - Brisbane, Australia (outdoor hard)

wales1994 · County player

B00thy wrote:
christ wrote:
The Broady family bravely decided that it was more important that the children grew up and had fun as well as perfecting their tennis: it seems to have turned out very well for those children. The LTA (maybe correctly?) aren't interested in children as children, they are interested in the route to victory. If the winning destroys the person, that is simply an irritating side effect. More children should be saved from the sausage machine, in my opinion.

Mr Evans is also a good example of what good can come even if one does ones growing up whilst in the limelight.

And Mr Willis seems to be another victim of the "where did all go wrong, George" syndrome: despite not reaching the potential heights that his tennis could possibly have done, he seems to have grown into a relatively successful person.
Is Mr. Evans a good example? He is one of the finest natural racket sportsmen I have seen. I feel he fulfilled his potential despite earlier choices he made, because of his natural gifts

This is true but he really put his head down and grafted at the lower end after an injury break. Was it 2015?

christ · Futures level

B00thy wrote:
christ wrote:
The Broady family bravely decided that it was more important that the children grew up and had fun as well as perfecting their tennis: it seems to have turned out very well for those children. The LTA (maybe correctly?) aren't interested in children as children, they are interested in the route to victory. If the winning destroys the person, that is simply an irritating side effect. More children should be saved from the sausage machine, in my opinion.

Mr Evans is also a good example of what good can come even if one does ones growing up whilst in the limelight.

And Mr Willis seems to be another victim of the "where did all go wrong, George" syndrome: despite not reaching the potential heights that his tennis could possibly have done, he seems to have grown into a relatively successful person.
Is Mr. Evans a good example? He is one of the finest natural racket sportsmen I have seen. I feel he fulfilled his potential despite earlier choices he made, because of his natural gifts

I believe so, in that he "blew" his prime years on mostly having fun and doing what young folk do - at a cost to his tennis - then buckled down and grafted his way, using those natural talents, to a position probably even higher then he merited. Despite shooting himself in the foot when he - and we - thought he was beyond that. He made his fortune, made the sharp end of the top 100, and still had a fun-filled youth. Win-win-win, for me.

B00thy · Lower Club Player

christ wrote:
B00thy wrote:
christ wrote:
The Broady family bravely decided that it was more important that the children grew up and had fun as well as perfecting their tennis: it seems to have turned out very well for those children. The LTA (maybe correctly?) aren't interested in children as children, they are interested in the route to victory. If the winning destroys the person, that is simply an irritating side effect. More children should be saved from the sausage machine, in my opinion.

Mr Evans is also a good example of what good can come even if one does ones growing up whilst in the limelight.

And Mr Willis seems to be another victim of the "where did all go wrong, George" syndrome: despite not reaching the potential heights that his tennis could possibly have done, he seems to have grown into a relatively successful person.
Is Mr. Evans a good example? He is one of the finest natural racket sportsmen I have seen. I feel he fulfilled his potential despite earlier choices he made, because of his natural gifts
I believe so, in that he "blew" his prime years on mostly having fun and doing what young folk do - at a cost to his tennis - then buckled down and grafted his way, using those natural talents, to a position probably even higher then he merited. Despite shooting himself in the foot when he - and we - thought he was beyond that. He made his fortune, made the sharp end of the top 100, and still had a fun-filled youth. Win-win-win, for me.

I agree with all this .. that he was able to reach as high as could once he buckled down, because of the rare talent (as Federer once said after a match .. sometimes it was like looking in the mirror). It's because of that rare talent that I don't feel he's a good example as the vast majority that blow their formative years cannot reach their potential .. could Dan have reached top 10? possibly but with his physique, probably not top 5. Marcus Wills is probably a good example as he has probably not reached his potential tennis-wise, although we agree that's not the be-all and end-all - he's having a great life

indiana · Tennis legend

Tennis wise, it is quite ridiculous that Marcus didn't reach the top 200 in the doubles rankings until August 2023 ( age 32 ) and never reached the top 300 in singles.

Hopefully he is pretty happy overall but I would have thought some regrets?

As for Dan, I love the later years Dan. Re the early years Dan, a problem I do have is that he didn't just seriously disrupt his tennis career he disrupted others ( argument that just these with weaker minds but still .. )

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

L16: (5) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 60 (37+23) defeated Manuel Guinard & Arthur Rinderknech (FRA/FRA) CR 515 (69+444) by 4-6 6-4 [12-10]

Babfive · Satellite level

Phew! After they lost the first set I thought they would probably come back to win, but they cut it a bit finer than I would have liked.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

L16: (7) Austin Krajicek & Rajeev Ram (USA/USA) CR 73 (43+30) defeated Christian Harrison (USA) & Marcus Willis CR 173 (84+89) by 2 & 4

L16: Nicolás Jarry & Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard (CHI/FRA) CR 616 (252+364) defeated (6) Jamie Murray & John Peers (AUS) CR 62 (27+35) by 6-7(5) 7-6(5) [10-7] bleh

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
L16: (5) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 60 (37+23) defeated Manuel Guinard & Arthur Rinderknech (FRA/FRA) CR 515 (69+444) by 4-6 6-4 [12-10]

L24: (4) Joe Salisbury & Neal Skupski CR 51 (33+18) vs BYE

Joe & Neal were replaced by local ALTs (Hijikata & Kubler) after they withdrew. cry Anyone know what the problem was?

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L16: James Duckworth & Aleksandar Vukic (AUS/AUS) CR 1844 (1275+569) vs (2) Harri Heliövaara (FIN) & Henry Patten CR 30 (16+14)

Henry & Harri have just won the first set by 7-6(6).

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QF: (1) Nikola Mektic & Michael Venus (CRO/AUS) CR 23 (6+17) vs (5) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 60 (37+23)

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
L16: (7) Austin Krajicek & Rajeev Ram (USA/USA) CR 73 (43+30) defeated Christian Harrison (USA) & Marcus Willis CR 173 (84+89) by 2 & 4

L16: Nicolás Jarry & Giovanni Mpetshi Perricard (CHI/FRA) CR 616 (252+364) defeated (6) Jamie Murray & John Peers (AUS) CR 62 (27+35) by 6-7(5) 7-6(5) [10-7]

L16: James Duckworth & Aleksandar Vukic (AUS/AUS) CR 1844 (1275+569) defeated (2) Harri Heliövaara (FIN) & Henry Patten CR 30 (16+14) by 6-7(6) 6-4 [10-8] bleh

GBJ · Club Coach

B00thy wrote:
DF wrote:
news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/tennis/7198591.stm
fascinating .. thanks

Just got round to reading this one. Thanks. I remember Evo and Naomi's part in all this but was less aware of Marcus'. I may have read it at the time but certainly not since I really started to follow Marcus back when he was drinking pop on court etc. It's do weird reading this and thinking how Drapers son is now our top player!!

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
L24: (4) Joe Salisbury & Neal Skupski CR 51 (33+18) vs BYE
Joe & Neal were replaced by local ALTs (Hijikata & Kubler) after they withdrew. Anyone know what the problem was?

Hmm. The PDF version of the draw isn't exactly a mine of information: "illness" affecting Joe.

wolf · Tennis legend

QF: (5) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 60 (37+23) defeated (1) Nikola Mektic & Michael Venus (CRO/NZL) CR 23 (6+17) by 4-6 6-3 [10-3]

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SF: (5) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 60 (37+23) vs (ALT) Rinky Hijikata & Jason Kubler (AUS/AUS) CR 659 (96+563)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Good win, high hopes for Julian and Lloyd this year - like to see
Them both each top 20

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
QF: (5) Julian Cash & Lloyd Glasspool CR 60 (37+23) defeated (1) Nikola Mektic & Michael Venus (CRO/NZL) CR 23 (6+17) by 4-6 6-3 [10-3]

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