Anton is in qualifying in Bonn

wolf wrote:

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Montreal doubles

Ram/Salisbury
Heliovaara/Patten
Skupski/Venus

Cash/Galloway 2nd alt
Glasspool/Matos 3rd alt
Behar/Johnson 5th alt

No Jamie Murray

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 Yet Jamie is with Michael in Washington. Maybe its a bit of an open marriage for now. 

wolf wrote:

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wolf wrote:

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Montreal doubles

Ram/Salisbury
Heliovaara/Patten
Skupski/Venus

Cash/Galloway 2nd alt
Glasspool/Matos 3rd alt
Behar/Johnson 5th alt

No Jamie Murray

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Dodig/Kraijeck have split (confirmed) with Dodig going with Rojer here. Rojer/Glasspool no longer ranked high enough so no choice but to split. No sign of Kraijeck, the only top 30 player missing.

16 direct acceptances, 12 of them from the top 13 rule (Dodig/Kraijeck missing), so room for only 4 on ranking (Gonzalez/Roger-Vasselin, Dodig/Rojer, Skupski/Venus, Ram/Salisbury). The rest is 13 on site sign in (presumably singles ranking?) and 3 wild cards.

Unlike the previous tournament they used this entry system this is just a one week tournament so will be interesting to see the difference. 

Maybe with people going deep in the Olympics we might see withdrawals letting our guys in.

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 Thanks Wolf - do you have a link to any article about Dodig and Krajicek splitting? thanks 

JonH comes home wrote:

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wolf wrote:

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wolf wrote:

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Montreal doubles

Ram/Salisbury
Heliovaara/Patten
Skupski/Venus

Cash/Galloway 2nd alt
Glasspool/Matos 3rd alt
Behar/Johnson 5th alt

No Jamie Murray

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Dodig/Kraijeck have split (confirmed) with Dodig going with Rojer here. Rojer/Glasspool no longer ranked high enough so no choice but to split. No sign of Kraijeck, the only top 30 player missing.

16 direct acceptances, 12 of them from the top 13 rule (Dodig/Kraijeck missing), so room for only 4 on ranking (Gonzalez/Roger-Vasselin, Dodig/Rojer, Skupski/Venus, Ram/Salisbury). The rest is 13 on site sign in (presumably singles ranking?) and 3 wild cards.

Unlike the previous tournament they used this entry system this is just a one week tournament so will be interesting to see the difference. 

Maybe with people going deep in the Olympics we might see withdrawals letting our guys in.

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 Thanks Wolf - do you have a link to any article about Dodig and Krajicek splitting? thanks 

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I heard Henry Pattens coach mentioning it on a podcast.

I wonder, and have wondered for some time, if the idea of the top 8 pairs reaching the tour finals makes sense as a narrative to the season. The pairings seem less stable and seem to last less time than in past years; a lot more fluidity. And pairs seem more inclined to split mid season - Krajicek and Dodig are 13th ranked and splitting.

And the ATP seem more reluctant to promote doubles and the concept of long standing pairings vying for top spot etc.

I wonder if it is nearing time for doubles players to accumulate race points as individuals and embrace the fluidity - the top 16 players to qualify for the tour finals. They would need to then make 8 pairs for the finals based on whos played most
Often with who through the season.

May seem half baked idea but its struck me as something to consider for some time.

indiana wrote:

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... and then dismiss ...

I like the idea of the shared common goal of a fairly established pair. And would then prefer to see such pairs at the tour finals than made up pairs ( however good each individually ). There's your narrative

I think most of us like a reasonable amount of continuity in doubles pairs rather than a lot of switching around, and so if the current system helps pairs to stick and work together all the better. And more knowledge and following of the competitors as known pairs at least I think would bring more interest in the doubles at the finals where it habitually struggle for interest compared to the singles.

A very highly ranked individual doubles player may miss out just now but from their points will clearly have had a good prosperous year. They dont need the ATP finals and the ATP finals don't need them.

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And youre right , of course! Flight of fancy probably!