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Stircrazy wrote:

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Stircrazy wrote:

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L64:  (WC) Jacob Fearnley WR 277 vs (2) Novak Djokovic (SRB) WR 2 (CH = 1, for the first time, in July 2011)

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First match on Centre Court at 13.30 tomorrow, with Andy & Jamie third, after Swiatek & Martic. 

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 Come on Mr Fearnley - a win here and the draw really opens up.

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JonH comes home wrote:

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Great match - Sinner looks good. Love the way the men give genuine warm mutual respect at the end, not just these two but most; why do the women always seem so cursory and begrudging when shaking hands at the end?

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 Guess we are wired differently. To me the guys are generally trying to get on top of the sport, and often just see their opponents as almost with them in that. Often the women seem much more focussed on getting the better of that particular individual on the other side of the net, and that that person is potentially spoiling their dreams.

Maybe rambling rubbish - but for a long time how I have kind of seen it.

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JonH comes home wrote:

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Great match - Sinner looks good. Love the way the men give genuine warm mutual respect at the end, not just these two but most; why do the women always seem so cursory and begrudging when shaking hands at the end?

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 All I can say from firsthand experience is that, on average, if you take two 15 year-old boys, they will bust a gut on the court, they may well swear at their opponent, smash a ball at them, there may be rage and tears at the end - but 5 minutes later the lads will be playing ping-pong in the clubhouse, having a ball, and the loser will be A1 fine and any on court disputes (about linecalls etc) will be forgotten

If you take two 15 year-old girls, they will generally be 'better behaved' on court but the girls will not speak at the end, the one who loses will leave very quickly, any disputed linecallse etc will be remembered for months, everything will be very 'personal'

It's not good to generalise but it's not right to ignore it either - and this is based on assisting hundreds and hundreds of matches. The FFT even had to amend their training approach because of it. 

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 That is pretty much how it pans out generally anyway, The boys will fight each other in the playground and be best mates 5 mins later, the girls will sulk and ignore each other for months.

JonH comes home wrote:

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Its funny isnt it - in life, its oft commented that women develop and have deeper and stronger friendships that endure and men often struggle as they dont develop the same, a lot more high level links which dont have as much depth to them and often leave a lot of men without real, true friends outside their wife and family.

And yet in this sporting context it feels like it reverses almost; the men out on tour seem more able to enjoy the lifestyle more and have better social connections with other players, whereas as the women seem to keep themselves more to themselves and not build the friendships - its like the competition gets on the way? In a way that is almost the reversal of what we see in most peoples everyday non sporting lives?

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 Im not sure. I think the women are more choosy who they have as friends. Also I think its important for them to have people external to the game as close friends as well to keep a balance. PS , the girls maybe sulk but thats where the motivation comes from to win next time! In my experience.

-- Edited by Var on Thursday 4th of July 2024 08:37:50 AM

Tanaqui wrote:

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Interesting discussion! It possibly goes back to early socialisation: society expects girls to be/play "nice" and not show negative emotions like anger and frustration (or even object to bad behaviour by others), so it doesn't get dealt with in the moment and simmers inside, and that's how they learn to deal (or not deal) with those kinds of emotions; boys are allowed to express those emotions, can get it out of their system and move on.

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 I agree with this.