Week 25 - LTA Wimbledon Wild Card Play Offs - Wimbledon (Grass)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

RE: Week 25 - LTA Wimbledon Wild Card Play Offs - Wimbledon (Grass)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

I also dont know why it cant be held later in the week and hold it Saturday and Sunday. That way players who might want to play here such as Ella or Ranah would have been unlikely to be still in Ilkley and could have played in the event. It wouldnt have mattered so much clashing with Eastbourne qualies, whereas having to not play here as they were still in the relatively early stages of Ilkley felt unfair.

Playing sat/sun still ensures they finish before the main qualies draw takes place. And presumably is better for any volunteers supporting the events running?

also, not sure why it couldnt be an 8 player event with two rounds, does it need to be 16? 5 direct entries on ranking and one place to an NCAAer or top junior and one place to someone from a British Tour event. No additional at large Wild cards to a wildcard play off.

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 06:29:35 AM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Saturday-Sunday would be too late in the current format

You can't have it finishing at 8.30 pm on Sunday evening (as it finished last night)

the draws for the qualis have to be made before that, the players have to be decided

And the players deserve a rest day before qualis kick off

(And the paid personnel prefer weekdays)

The timing re Ilkley is not a problem any more is Ilkley is moving next year

Me, I'd just get rid of the third set

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Saturday-Sunday would be too late in the current format

You can't have it finishing at 8.30 pm on Sunday evening (as it finished last night)

the draws for the qualis have to be made before that, the players have to be decided

And the players deserve a rest day before qualis kick off

(And the paid personnel prefer weekdays)

The timing re Ilkley is not a problem any more is Ilkley is moving next year

Me, I'd just get rid of the third set

Is the qualies draw Sunday? Anyway, all valid points, makes sense - although its not Ilkley next year, presumably it would be another similar event (Nottingham?) next season that might clash ?

emmsie69 · Top national player

My two pennies worth, Men start a day earlier and play the 1st 2 rounds on the same day and the last round on the 2nd day, The Women start a day later and do the same. Or use more courts on the 1st day so the Men and Women can play 2 matches each the 1st day.
I really don't like MTB's, it's much a crapshoot as the last day having 2 matches.

I don't think playing 2 matches in a day is a big issue as most of these players will have had to do that on the ITF circuit at some point. It just shouldn't be 2 matches on the 2nd day with so much riding on it.

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 06:57:21 AM

Lambda · Challenger qualifying

JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Saturday-Sunday would be too late in the current format

You can't have it finishing at 8.30 pm on Sunday evening (as it finished last night)

the draws for the qualis have to be made before that, the players have to be decided

And the players deserve a rest day before qualis kick off

(And the paid personnel prefer weekdays)

The timing re Ilkley is not a problem any more is Ilkley is moving next year

Me, I'd just get rid of the third set
Is the qualies draw Sunday? Anyway, all valid points, makes sense - although its not Ilkley next year, presumably it would be another similar event (Nottingham?) next season that might clash ?

Nottingham is a WTA250. Its highly unlikely anyone in the L16 of a WTA250 would not already be in Wimbledon.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

Coup Droit wrote:
Saturday-Sunday would be too late in the current format

You can't have it finishing at 8.30 pm on Sunday evening (as it finished last night)

the draws for the qualis have to be made before that, the players have to be decided

And the players deserve a rest day before qualis kick off

(And the paid personnel prefer weekdays)

The timing re Ilkley is not a problem any more is Ilkley is moving next year

Me, I'd just get rid of the third set
Is the qualies draw Sunday? Anyway, all valid points, makes sense - although its not Ilkley next year, presumably it would be another similar event (Nottingham?) next season that might clash ?
Nottingham is a WTA250. Its highly unlikely anyone in the L16 of a WTA250 would not already be in Wimbledon.

Sorry yes - I was trying to recall what the W100 would be in the current Ilkley slot, tbh, and couldnt remember. ill go and check the 2025 thread

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

And it seems there isnt planned to a W100 in this slot next year. So problem solved (on the play offs clash front at least)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
My two pennies worth, Men start a day earlier and play the 1st 2 rounds on the same day and the last round on the 2nd day, The Women start a day later and do the same. Or use more courts on the 1st day so the Men and Women can play 2 matches each the 1st day.
I really don't like MTB's, it's much a crapshoot as the last day having 2 matches.
I don't think playing 2 matches in a day is a big issue as most of these players will have had to do that on the ITF circuit at some point. It just shouldn't be 2 matches on the 2nd day with so much riding on it.

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 06:57:21 AM

For things like this, they generally don't like having two rounds on the first day because there are so many matches, you're far more vulnerable to the weather - it's a lot easier having your two matches on a day with less matches

I don;t get the crapshoot argument for MTBs

Firstly, I don't think that they are crapshoots

And secondly, all normal TBs are 'crapshoots' in that case, that's the point of them

No one suggests getting rid of TBs

Lambda · Challenger qualifying

JonH comes home wrote:
And it seems there isnt planned to a W100 in this slot next year. So problem solved (on the play offs clash front at least)

And I wonder what the women in qualifying think about having nowhere to play the week before qualy?

Var · Pro player

Lambda wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
And it seems there isnt planned to a W100 in this slot next year. So problem solved (on the play offs clash front at least)

And I wonder what the women in qualifying think about having nowhere to play the week before qualy?

Bring back Eastbourne WTA 500! I cant see how the WTA 500 at Queens will work TBH. Surely there is no transition time for the top,players and others will be involved in FO? Or have I got that wrong. Think the LTA have been sold a pup!

-- Edited by Var on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 07:50:28 AM

-- Edited by Var on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 07:50:52 AM

9vicman · Pro player

Var wrote:
Lambda wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
And it seems there isnt planned to a W100 in this slot next year. So problem solved (on the play offs clash front at least)

And I wonder what the women in qualifying think about having nowhere to play the week before qualy?
Bring back Eastbourne WTA 500! I cant see how the WTA 500 at Queens will work TBH. Surely there is no transition time for the top,players and others will be involved in FO? Or have I got that wrong. Think the LTA have been sold a pup!

-- Edited by Var on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 07:50:28 AM

-- Edited by Var on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 07:50:52 AM

If you think about it, for many years, Queen's used to be immediately after the French Open when there were only two weeks between Paris and Wimbledon. That said I can't see Swiatek as a Roland Garros champion coming straight to Queen's. But some players don't like playing the week before a Slam either. Let's see how it pans out.

HarryGem · Club Coach

Var wrote:
Lambda wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
And it seems there isnt planned to a W100 in this slot next year. So problem solved (on the play offs clash front at least)

And I wonder what the women in qualifying think about having nowhere to play the week before qualy?
Bring back Eastbourne WTA 500! I cant see how the WTA 500 at Queens will work TBH. Surely there is no transition time for the top,players and others will be involved in FO? Or have I got that wrong. Think the LTA have been sold a pup!

-- Edited by Var on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 07:50:28 AM

-- Edited by Var on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 07:50:52 AM

How about upgrading Nottingham or Birmingham to 500 keeping the other as a 250 and leaving Eastbourne as a 250. So at least people outside of London and the South East get more opportunities to watch top level tennis without paying a fortune for travel and tickets and probably accommodation. Or perhaps even having a competition in Manchester?

Personally I'd have an extra week for grass too. The only surface there isn't a WTA1000 on.

All about money I'm afraid. LTA=London tennis association.

Peter too · Tennis legend

HarryGem wrote:
Var wrote:
Lambda wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
And it seems there isnt planned to a W100 in this slot next year. So problem solved (on the play offs clash front at least)

And I wonder what the women in qualifying think about having nowhere to play the week before qualy?
Bring back Eastbourne WTA 500! I cant see how the WTA 500 at Queens will work TBH. Surely there is no transition time for the top,players and others will be involved in FO? Or have I got that wrong. Think the LTA have been sold a pup!

-- Edited by Var on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 07:50:28 AM

-- Edited by Var on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 07:50:52 AM
How about upgrading Nottingham or Birmingham to 500 keeping the other as a 250 and leaving Eastbourne as a 250. So at least people outside of London and the South East get more opportunities to watch top level tennis without paying a fortune for travel and tickets and probably accommodation. Or perhaps even having a competition in Manchester?
Personally I'd have an extra week for grass too. The only surface there isn't a WTA1000 on.
All about money I'm afraid. LTA=London tennis association.

I would welcome having any level of tournament within reach. I live in Oxfordshire and there are no tournaments, not even a W15, within 60 miles of me. A 120 mile round trip in a day is about my limit now.

-- Edited by Peter too on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 09:55:12 AM

the addict · Tennis legend

I know the feeling Peter. It's a 2.5 hour journey each way for me to Surbiton/Roehampton/Wimbledon, so I'm limited on which tournaments I can get to.