Week 25 - LTA Wimbledon Wild Card Play Offs - Wimbledon (Grass)

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Week 25 - LTA Wimbledon Wild Card Play Offs - Wimbledon (Grass)

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Having THREE unattributed quali wildcards is really annoying

I mean, you'd rather give it to the next in line, at WR220 or whatever, than to Aidan or Charlie Robertson (who arguably could/should get Oliver's unused one) or whoever.....

Seriously, LTA/AELTC ?

steven · Tennis legend

It's shocking. I know they've tried to justify failing to attribute main draw wild cards before and for that, they at least have an argument, even if it's not one I agree with, but failing to attribute qualifying wild cards (which the media aren't even going to notice) just seems like a slap in the face to GB tennis players. None of the other slams would even dream of doing this, and I don't think even Wimbledon has ever pulled this trick before.

Still, at least they gave every single men's main draw wild card to a Brit, that's also been extremely unusual in recent years.

Spireman · Club Coach

JonH comes home wrote:
pauldepstein wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:

or will all four get one, seeing as Charlie Broom has been promoted to a main draw WC, Oliver Bonding's been forced to withdraw with a foot injury & there was one still to be announced anyway?
I think I can answer my own question: Ali vs Anton is already showing on the schedule, so I assume Aidan vs Stuart will be added.
Even when they give wildcards to all four finalists, (as has occurred previously), they still play the matches anyway even though they lack significance. These matches are then "dead" like dead rubbers
in the Davis Cup.
Do they ? Last season they stopped the event after the qf stage (cant recall if it was men or womens) because they had 4 wildcards to give and only 4 players left - they didnt play the dead matches.

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 08:48:04 PM

Last year the last four in women's got qualifying WC without playing last round, and I think three of last four in mens got them. In mens they did play last round so winners and one of losing finalist got one. I will check who they were but I think one of the final losers was much higher ranked than other one, who didn't get the WC.

Edit: the four women's WC were Eden S, Naikitha, Anna B and Emily A.

The three men were Cox, Parker (winners) and Wendelken (runner up to Parker). Millen Hurrion was runner up to Cox, and beat Giles Hussey in previous round, but Hurrion didn't get qwc.

-- Edited by Spireman on Sunday 23rd of June 2024 05:25:29 AM

Lambda · Challenger level

steven wrote:
It's shocking. I know they've tried to justify failing to attribute main draw wild cards before and for that, they at least have an argument, even if it's not one I agree with, but failing to attribute qualifying wild cards (which the media aren't even going to notice) just seems like a slap in the face to GB tennis players. None of the other slams would even dream of doing this, and I don't think even Wimbledon has ever pulled this trick before.

Still, at least they gave every single men's main draw wild card to a Brit, that's also been extremely unusual in recent years.

It's not the first time qualifying wild cards have not been allocated. 2 qualifying wild cards went unused on the women's side in 2022.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Thanks, Lambda - I was pretty sure I remembered it happening quite recently - which is worse - it means it isn't a one-off

It just seems so utterly unecessary

However, like steven I was surprised they were so 'brave' with the men's MD wildcards - so maybe it's swings and roundabouts

9vicman · Satellite level

I guess that Wimbledon have decided that players ranked No. 220 are more deserving than alternative wild cards. Then don't offer nine wild cards!

steven · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
steven wrote:
It's shocking. I know they've tried to justify failing to attribute main draw wild cards before and for that, they at least have an argument, even if it's not one I agree with, but failing to attribute qualifying wild cards (which the media aren't even going to notice) just seems like a slap in the face to GB tennis players. None of the other slams would even dream of doing this, and I don't think even Wimbledon has ever pulled this trick before.

Still, at least they gave every single men's main draw wild card to a Brit, that's also been extremely unusual in recent years.

It's not the first time qualifying wild cards have not been allocated. 2 qualifying wild cards went unused on the women's side in 2022.

Ah, that's probably the year I was paying the least attention.

pauldepstein · Social player

JonH comes home wrote:
pauldepstein wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:

or will all four get one, seeing as Charlie Broom has been promoted to a main draw WC, Oliver Bonding's been forced to withdraw with a foot injury & there was one still to be announced anyway?
I think I can answer my own question: Ali vs Anton is already showing on the schedule, so I assume Aidan vs Stuart will be added.
Even when they give wildcards to all four finalists, (as has occurred previously), they still play the matches anyway even though they lack significance. These matches are then "dead" like dead rubbers
in the Davis Cup.
Do they ? Last season they stopped the event after the qf stage (cant recall if it was men or womens) because they had 4 wildcards to give and only 4 players left - they didnt play the dead matches.

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Saturday 22nd of June 2024 08:48:04 PM

Thanks a lot for the correction. I actually spectate these playoffs regularly, including this year. I wonder who is leaking the info for these threads because it has never been me (I don't bring a laptop and I'm

hopeless using the web on my phone). One year I was there (probably 2017 or 2018), all four mens finalists in the LTA wild-card play-offs got qualifying wild cards. However, the finals were still played. This is why

I said (wrongly) that they still play the dead matches. I wonder why there was a difference in procedure. One possibility is that it could be that the wild-card allocation hadn't been completely finalised in the

year I remember. If asked to pick the two mens winners beforehand, I would have gone with the actual winners -- Parker and Matusevic. So no surprises (for me) in that sense. However, there were surprises for me in how many near-upsets there were with the top seeds getting few easy matches. As to the idea that McHugh could have been given more time to rest, I don't see how that would be within the rules.

But I would agree that McHugh was greatly affected by his long 2nd round match. In particular, the physio was called.

-- Edited by pauldepstein on Sunday 23rd of June 2024 02:17:19 PM

seagull · Hall of fame

Qualifying draw is out

Gill v Nava
Peniston v Bonzi
Loffhagen v Travaglia
JPJ v Pouille
Clarke v Schwartzman
Parker v Kypson
Matusevich v Barrios Vera
Crawford v Gasquet

seagull · Hall of fame

Decent draws apart from Crawford who is a clay courter anyway.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

seagull wrote:
Qualifying draw is out

Gill v Nava
Peniston v Bonzi
Loffhagen v Travaglia
JPJ v Pouille
Clarke v Schwartzman
Parker v Kypson
Matusevich v Barrios Vera
Crawford v Gasquet

Thanks for that seagull :)

Just for info, this is the list of what programme each player is on, or their LTA status, so to speak

Ryan Peniston (NTC Pro Access)
Oliver Crawford (NTC Pro Access)
Felix Gill (PSP)
Jack Pinnington Jones (MWP from July)
Jay Clarke (NTC Pro Access)
George Loffhagen (PSP)
Charles Broom (Top 25)

NTC Top 25 is the bottom of the heap, from what I can see. And then NTC Pro Access

https://www.lta.org.uk/compete/performance/player-pathway/#:~:text=NTC%20Pro%20Access&text=Provides%20enhanced%20access%20to%20NTC,75%20ATP%2FWTA%20doubles%20ranking.

The MWP is here:

https://www.lta.org.uk/49f4d1/siteassets/pro-players/mwp-nagp-u16-selection-policy-2024-final-version.pdf

ANd this is the PSP:

https://www.lta.org.uk/compete/performance/player-pathway/pro-scholarship-programme/

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Sunday 23rd of June 2024 02:19:39 PM