Wimbledon wildcards

PaulM · Tennis legend

Wimbledon wildcards

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Trying to work out who the spare tba for the qualies wild cards could go to? No one left in Ilkley that is not already covered off (Charlie, Ryan, Arthur all have places) and dont think there are any overseas players who are lowly ranked who could grab it?

Perhaps they will allocate that spot to one of the WC PO semis losers?

steven · Tennis legend

Madadman wrote:
Madadman wrote:
For anyone wondering when the last time we had a player in qualifying without a WC, from what I can tell it was Alex Bogdanovic in 2010
Scrap that Steven has pointed out on Twitter that Ed Corrie in 2015 also didnt have a WC. Obviously zoomed past 2015 too quickly when I had a brief look.

I had the unfair advantage of having watched Ed's QR1 match (indeed, if I remember correctly, I videoed his match point and his brother asked if I could send him the video to forward onto Ed's mum, which was cool!), so that and the fact that he was a QDA stuck in my memory!

steven · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
Madadman wrote:
For anyone wondering when the last time we had a player in qualifying without a WC, from what I can tell it was Alex Bogdanovic in 2010
Interesting..... to me, that shows we have more depth now

We definitely do have more depth now. Even if 2015 and 2010 were the last time we had a QDA who didn't get a main draw wild card, I imagine we'd have to go back a lot further to find the last time there was more than one.

Also, had to laugh at the main draw WC for Liam being objected to, that surely wasn't a serious objection (?)

Blue_Belle · Club Coach

No Kyle, will he be in play offs or he injured(again)?

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

PaulM wrote:
Liam's singles is well deserved. Doubles one is a bit odd but they tend to do this. Not entirely sure why Marcus has gone back to Jay as partner given he's now top 100. I always think the idea of lightning striking twice is a bit unlikely.

Re the doubles, I am sure these unusual partnerships are the result of having to be 'all-GB' pairings. I remember when Joe Salisbury was playing with his old college partner David O'Hare and doing really well, he had to drop O'Hare in order to get a wild card.

9vicman · Satellite level

For me, Paul Jubb the only real surprise, but am sure the LTA would have criteria on which to base the recommendation. He has been injured (as has Ryan), but maybe they feel he deserves a chance.

simon381 · Lower Club Player

To my mind not knowing all injuries etc., the QWC play-offs for the men will be:

Aidan McHugh

Giles Hussey

Anton Matusevich

Toby Samuel

Kyle Edmund

Hamish Stewart

Stuart Parker

Dan Cox - is he still playing?

Alastair Gray

Oliver Tarvet

Harry Wendelken (West Worthing winner)

Johanus Munday (NCAA) - did I see he is playing abroad?

Viktor Frydych (Junior)

Charlie Robertson (Junior)

2 x WCs ?? Maybe Patrick Brady and Mark Ceban

Nix · Futures level

I think you could argue a decent case between Paul and Charlie: Paul is a couple of years younger, was NCAA champion, has beaten Charlie a couple of times recently and has been very unlucky with injuries when he had reached the top 200 just before he got injured. He has also got through a couple of rounds at qualies at US Open and has that very close match against Kyrgios on his pedigree. Charlie has only just broken top 300 and has arguably had an easier tennis background with a public school education and potential opportunities that affords.

I don't think it's anything to do with skin colour but I'm imagining it's more difficult to get into the higher ranks of tennis in this country from a less privileged background unless you have parents who are tennis coaches for instance, hence me personally being so impressed with players like Billy and Paul. I'm not trying to be divisive with this it's just I've seen this mentioned before by people who are much more well-versed with the development of young players into the professional game than I am.

-- Edited by Nix on Wednesday 19th of June 2024 06:32:16 PM

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

simon381 wrote:
To my mind not knowing all injuries etc., the QWC play-offs for the men will be:
Aidan McHugh
Giles Hussey
Anton Matusevich
Toby Samuel
Kyle Edmund
Hamish Stewart
Stuart Parker
Dan Cox - is he still playing?
Alastair Gray
Oliver Tarvet
Harry Wendelken (West Worthing winner)
Johanus Munday (NCAA) - did I see he is playing abroad?
Viktor Frydych (Junior)
Charlie Robertson (Junior)
2 x WCs ?? Maybe Patrick Brady and Mark Ceban

The wild card play-offs are scheduled to take place tomorrow & on Friday. Oliver Tarvet is involved in an ITF M15 event in Rancho Santa Fe (California) this week...

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Charlie Robertson has a guaranteed place in the wildcard quali playsoffs

by virtue of being the runner-up in the U18

As does Oscar Weightman, for winning Cromer

So Charlie and Oscar are definitely in the draw

twentytoone · Intermediate Club Player

Blue_Belle wrote:
twentytoone wrote:
Paul jubb over Charles broom is wrong in my opinion other than that I am happy
Based in current form perhaps. But Paul has been super unlucky with injuries and let's face it, a rare British non white player.
As much as I like Liam, he's only just coming back from injury and then a concussion.
The Dan/Henry doubles could be over before it gets going as well.

Not sure you needed to bring race into this

twentytoone · Intermediate Club Player

Mark1968 wrote:
So Liam's career continues to be spoon feed by yet another WC, how many has he has now? A guaranteed WC every year takes away much of the incentive to push oneself, this is so wrong, this situation grinds my gears, it's the Jim Ward scenario all over again. Liam and Billy getting a WC into doubles is a waste as neither are that interested in doubles and don't play regularly. There are several other players higher ranked than these two who play doubles full time and are showing promise such as David Stevenson, Ben Jones and Joshua Paris. To give Billy, Liam and even Dan and Henry (what is that all about?) a WC is a major snub to those mentioned.

Paul Jubb's place should have gone to Charlie Broom, I don't believe Paul has done quite enough.

Not bothered about Ryan missing out, I think he has been coasting a bit maybe?

Pleased for Billy in the singles and thoroughly deserved.

Henry has showed promise but is it a bit too early? Good luck to him anyway.

Pleased to see Marcus and Jay playing together again, it worked last time and this is who I thought Marcus would play with this year.

I am well away that some players here have had injuries at some time but I am am judging them on when they played, all players get injuries from time to time.

Because of the high prize money (quite right) for first round losers, no player now should receive more than two MD wildcards or maybe a third in exceptional circumstances.

I agree with everything bar your liam comment

twentytoone · Intermediate Club Player

Bob in Spain wrote:
Mark1968 wrote:
So Liam's career continues to be spoon feed by yet another WC, how many has he has now? A guaranteed WC every year takes away much of the incentive to push oneself, this is so wrong,

I am well away that some players here have had injuries at some time but I am am judging them on when they played, all players get injuries from time to time.

When Liam was playing, he was in the Top 100 and would have qualified by ranking so I think it is perfectly fair to give him a WC.
Add into the mix that he made the 3rd round last year including knocking out the 4th seed and for me it is a no-brainer

couldnt have said it better myself!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

twentytoone wrote:
Blue_Belle wrote:
twentytoone wrote:
Paul jubb over Charles broom is wrong in my opinion other than that I am happy
Based in current form perhaps. But Paul has been super unlucky with injuries and let's face it, a rare British non white player.
As much as I like Liam, he's only just coming back from injury and then a concussion.
The Dan/Henry doubles could be over before it gets going as well.
Not sure you needed to bring race into this

No, but it's an interesting question

Various people had strong opinions on previous pages

And it's perfectly fine to discuss it, IMO - i.e. it's not something that should be ignored, or hidden away from

After all, there's a valid argument that it is totally irrelevant, it's a pure meritocracy, and that's the way wildcards should be decided

There's another valid argument that wildcards are not given out on merit (otherwise it would just be rankings, end of), that part of the goal is to encourage new players, to give a view of the sport that is more inclusive (especially important for a traditionally white upper class sport) and that actively favouring a more diverse cohort is a perfectly justifiable strategy