Wimbledon wildcards

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Wimbledon wildcards

Blue_Belle · Club Coach

Shhh wrote:
Blue_Belle wrote:
twentytoone wrote:
Paul jubb over Charles broom is wrong in my opinion other than that I am happy
Based in current form perhaps. But Paul has been super unlucky with injuries and let's face it, a rare British non white player.
As much as I like Liam, he's only just coming back from injury and then a concussion.
The Dan/Henry doubles could be over before it gets going as well.
Do you think that is an acceptable reason for a player (good chap though I am sure Paul is) to be awarded a £60k Wild Card over players such as Charles (great recent form) or Ryan (superb past Grass court form and also returning from injuries)?

Or Jay Clarke receiving a Qualies one (over Ryan again) when he has not even played on Grass this season?

I'm not part of the committee but I don't think the optics of only having white players is a good look.

Mark1968 · Intermediate Club Player

So Liam's career continues to be spoon feed by yet another WC, how many has he has now? A guaranteed WC every year takes away much of the incentive to push oneself, this is so wrong, this situation grinds my gears, it's the Jim Ward scenario all over again. Liam and Billy getting a WC into doubles is a waste as neither are that interested in doubles and don't play regularly. There are several other players higher ranked than these two who play doubles full time and are showing promise such as David Stevenson, Ben Jones and Joshua Paris. To give Billy, Liam and even Dan and Henry (what is that all about?) a WC is a major snub to those mentioned.

Paul Jubb's place should have gone to Charlie Broom, I don't believe Paul has done quite enough.

Not bothered about Ryan missing out, I think he has been coasting a bit maybe?

Pleased for Billy in the singles and thoroughly deserved.

Henry has showed promise but is it a bit too early? Good luck to him anyway.

Pleased to see Marcus and Jay playing together again, it worked last time and this is who I thought Marcus would play with this year.

I am well away that some players here have had injuries at some time but I am am judging them on when they played, all players get injuries from time to time.

Because of the high prize money (quite right) for first round losers, no player now should receive more than two MD wildcards or maybe a third in exceptional circumstances.

steven · Tennis legend

Having seen them both play on grass recently, I too think Charlie has been a bit hard done by missing out to Paul (nothing against Paul, obviously, he always seems like a great guy, and he has had injury problems, so that must have factored into the decision) but who knows, maybe Charlie will get still get one if the Ilkley winner doesn't need one ... or he wins Ilkley himself!

Shhh wrote:
Clarke receiving a Qualies one (over Ryan again) when he has not even played on Grass this season?

Jay hasn't got one 'over' Ryan - Ryan doesn't need a QWC, having been ranked high enough to get into qualifying directly at the cut-off. So those in the play-offs can breathe a sigh of relief that they won't have to face Ryan there!

indiana · Tennis legend

Blue_Belle wrote:
Shhh wrote:
Blue_Belle wrote:
twentytoone wrote:
Paul jubb over Charles broom is wrong in my opinion other than that I am happy
Based in current form perhaps. But Paul has been super unlucky with injuries and let's face it, a rare British non white player.
As much as I like Liam, he's only just coming back from injury and then a concussion.
The Dan/Henry doubles could be over before it gets going as well.
Do you think that is an acceptable reason for a player (good chap though I am sure Paul is) to be awarded a £60k Wild Card over players such as Charles (great recent form) or Ryan (superb past Grass court form and also returning from injuries)?

Or Jay Clarke receiving a Qualies one (over Ryan again) when he has not even played on Grass this season?
I'm not part of the committee but I don't think the optics of only having white players is a good look.

True. But that goes to the whole question of equal opportunities for progression in British tennis so that more non-whites get to the position of being able to be considered for WCs, and get them if they are among the more likely to obtain wins.

But no way at the actual time of selection of WCs should colour of skin be a consideration. Just no way!!!

-- Edited by indiana on Wednesday 19th of June 2024 10:08:38 AM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Quite happy in general with the MDWC entries, Charles and Paul option was a call I guess, maybe Charles entry to this level was too late in the day for them (ie sustained form is what they wanted?).

With 6 QWC's being given, that means two play off entrants and 1 more to be allocated.

So 1 MDWC and 1 QWC to be allocated and I guess Ilkley will be the key? Ryan, Charlie and Arthur are still in Ilkley, perhaps Charlie or Ryan could be upped to MDWC if they do well there and the Ilkley winner (if not them?) is already qualified? Although I dont think there are many players at Ilkley who are qualified that are left in?

Var · Pro player

Really pleased for Henry, but especially Jake!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

As previously posted, I was pretty A1 sure Charlie wouldn't get one (and knew Henry was in, which is great)

Overall, though, that's a very positive set of choices

Looking at the MD WCs, they've gone for some real outsiders there - players like Jake and Henry are ranked very lowly - it's great to see the LTA/AELTC being brave for once

Liam gets some extra leeway because he's always been available for Davis Cup, even as hitting partner effectively

I like the doubles too - although some may be strange choices/pairings (to me)

Obviously Oli Crawford and Ryan P are into the qualis anyway

But the wildcards also quite nice, IMO

Madadman · Masters Series Champion

For anyone wondering when the last time we had a player in qualifying without a WC, from what I can tell it was Alex Bogdanovic in 2010

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Madadman wrote:
For anyone wondering when the last time we had a player in qualifying without a WC, from what I can tell it was Alex Bogdanovic in 2010

Interesting..... to me, that shows we have more depth now

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Mark1968 wrote:
So Liam's career continues to be spoon feed by yet another WC, how many has he has now? A guaranteed WC every year takes away much of the incentive to push oneself, this is so wrong,

I am well away that some players here have had injuries at some time but I am am judging them on when they played, all players get injuries from time to time.

When Liam was playing, he was in the Top 100 and would have qualified by ranking so I think it is perfectly fair to give him a WC.

Add into the mix that he made the 3rd round last year including knocking out the 4th seed and for me it is a no-brainer.

Madadman · Masters Series Champion

Madadman wrote:
For anyone wondering when the last time we had a player in qualifying without a WC, from what I can tell it was Alex Bogdanovic in 2010

Scrap that Steven has pointed out on Twitter that Ed Corrie in 2015 also didnt have a WC. Obviously zoomed past 2015 too quickly when I had a brief look.

The Knight · Challenger qualifying

Mark1968 wrote:
So Liam's career continues to be spoon feed by yet another WC, how many has he has now? A guaranteed WC every year takes away much of the incentive to push oneself, this is so wrong, this situation grinds my gears, it's the Jim Ward scenario all over again.

The guy was literally at a career high and in line to get in automatically before the leg injury? Also not someone I've ever worried about not pushing themselves, he wouldnt have made top 100 without it

indiana · Tennis legend

Bob in Spain wrote:
Mark1968 wrote:
So Liam's career continues to be spoon feed by yet another WC, how many has he has now? A guaranteed WC every year takes away much of the incentive to push oneself, this is so wrong,

I am well away that some players here have had injuries at some time but I am am judging them on when they played, all players get injuries from time to time.

When Liam was playing, he was in the Top 100 and would have qualified by ranking so I think it is perfectly fair to give him a WC.
Add into the mix that he made the 3rd round last year including knocking out the 4th seed and for me it is a no-brainer.

In a nutshell, Bob.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Agree on comments from various folks re Liam, he deserves one for sure!