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Mud glorious mud


Hi all,

There follows quite a long opinion piece, this being a typically quiet Sunday in clay season..

First up, a disclaimer. I think my favourite surface, as a spectator, is probably clay. I realise that this makes me very unusual among Brit tennis fans, but its my acknowledged bias. I find grass to be too serve-dominated; with modern racquets, fitness training etc, too much hard court tennis is played at shoulder height or above, and bears little resemblance to the game I used to play a bit and watch back in the days of wooden racquets and Dan Maskell. I really prefer the cat and mouse of a 20 shot clay court rally to the wham-bam-thankyou ma'am power contest that more often succeeds on both grass and hard courts. I expect most people reading this to disagree, and I have no problem with that. No accounting for taste; different strokes for different folks; each to their own, and vive le difference. I'm not even trying to change anybody's opinion, or taste.

So I feel more than most a lot let down at this time of year, fairly much expecting that the Brits will be making early exits from all the big tournaments, from Madrid through Rome to RG. We are bad at clay.

But is that an inevitable fact of life? Or are there reasons? And is it really a problem? Can it be addressed as a problem? And is it worth trying to fix it?

It causes all sorts of problems. At a rough guesstimate, around 60% of the tournament calendar is played on hard courts, 30% on clay, and less than 10% on grass or other. Grass tournaments are always going to be the most important for British tennis, but take up 5 weeks or so of a 52 week calendar. It is virtually impossible to succeed in the sport as a grass court specialist. You can make a career playing well on hard courts only over 52 weeks, or well on clay only over 45 weeks. Not grass over 5 weeks.

Then there are important instances where playing on clay is unescapable. Recently in the Fed Cup - yeah we won, but by universal consensus, miraculously; later this year in the Olympics, with £millions of funding at stake; for the top players, they have to play the Slams and the 1000 tournaments also. This means we are passing up on a lot if we just shrug it all off as being clay court tennis, and meekly accepting the likelihood of failure.

I also think it adversely affects the careers of many of our players if they have limited opportunities on clay. An example could be Katie Dunne, perhaps. Comparable junior record to Katie Boulter, but grew up shorter and less powerful, and at a disadvantage on hard courts; but with much better defensive skills, excellent movement and hand skills, and I have a hunch that she might have also reached the WTA top 100, if she had been given encouragement, coaching and opportunities to develop as a clay/grass player. Or right at the summit of the Brit women for a decade or so, Heather; clearly her first big arrival was as US Open Girls champ - but in the women's game, for the first 5 or 6 years of her career, her most successful surface by win% was clay - perhaps as a result of a Guernsey childhood. It is now her worst surface, perhaps as a result of being ensconced within the British system.

I fully accept that grass is always going to be the most important surface for Brits, until Wimbledon is no longer the biggest prize in tennis; but I'd really question whether ignoring clay court tennis is the way to improve on grass. Way back when I first started watching the sport, Bjorn Borg was establishing himself as possibly the GOAT (up til then) player to grace the courts of SW19; as commentary singled out his topspin forehand as the GOAT weapon that any player had ever brought to the court, and some suggestion that it was actually a clay court shot. Nadal has won Wimbledon. Djokovic's defensive splits manouevres on all surfaces are derived from the clay court slide.

To my mind there are many more similarities between clay court and grass court tennis than either of them share with hard court tennis. Height of bounce, efficacy of spin, irregularity of bounce. There are certainly transferable skills; the lease of grass court practice hath all too short a date, and as individual rallies tend to be much shorter, less gets practiced than on clay; it would also be better for our players if they werent approaching the grass season on the back of consecutive R1 losses on clay.

Sorry to have gone on so long. Better out than in, and better here than elsewhere, where I may have appeared to be laying some of the blame for some of this sorry state of affairs at the feet of a blameless 15yo girl.

British tennis is poor on clay. This is 30% approx of the sport. We host no clay tournaments, and have few courts even, and lack expert coaches. 



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Very interesting and I'll possibly come back to this once some others have hopefully responded.

Personally, I have said before that grass is certainly my least favourite tennis surface and clay probably my favourite. So my opinion and taste has long been developed.

IMO it is a great pity that there is so little attention paid to helping develop British players on clay



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wimbledont wrote:

I really prefer the cat and mouse of a 20 shot clay court rally to the wham-bam-thankyou ma'am power contest that more often succeeds on both grass and hard courts. 


I'm mostly here to be another vote for the above viewpoint. I also very much enjoy watching the point construction in rallies on clay (and agree that too often longer rallies on hard courts are just a boring slugfest to see who can wallop the ball hardest to exactly the same place on the court each time.)

I also agree with you that our best players need to learn to play decently, if not brilliantly, on clay, given the number of mandatory clay court tournaments. In terms of British players and player development on clay, I get the impression those who go the US college route usually get some good exposure to it and come out with a decent clay game. (And, of course, Andy played a lot on clay when he went to Spain as a youngster and I seem remember him even claiming early on that clay was his preferred surface!)

 

 



-- Edited by Tanaqui on Sunday 12th of May 2024 04:08:52 PM

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Good article from Tumaini Carayol on clay...

www.theguardian.com/sport/article/2024/may/13/feet-of-clay-tennis-how-the-worlds-best-battle-to-mould-their-game-to-the-surface

...which is especially important this year, with a clay court Olympics coming up.

I'd forgotten about Andy's upbringing/training/transition on clay in Spain. That seems to have worked out well for him.

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I used to love the grass court season, wooden racquets, serve and volley,uncommercial Wimbledon, - even I could get onto Number 1 court standing at the back, watching John McEnroe throw one of his famous tantrums! I feel nostalgia for that lost game of tennis, grass court game has never been the same.
Anyway, rose coloured spectacles aside, IMO we need to differentiate between different equipment, training regimes and more importantly differences within a surface category, different playing conditions. What I like about clay is how each country, altitude , weather can throw up different challenges and styles of play. However, maybe better to ask Sue Barker what she did to win the French back in the day? Or maybe invest in training facilities overseas based on clay? I dont know, but I think there is work to do with our youngsters if they are to succeed.



-- Edited by Var on Monday 13th of May 2024 09:36:38 AM

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Following up on a comment about Medvedev, the article by Tum Caryol talks about how he has taught himself to play on the surface; its still his least favourite but his record in the past 12 months is 12 wins and 4 losses, 75% wins, as opposed to 74% on hard and 70% on grass. Its not that he is now better in clay, he isnt, but hes grinding out wins he couldnt get before and generally doing much better.

As for my views - I agree with the above, clay is where players construct points and learning to play on it is a big thing for players. Its my least favourite surface to watch on , for sure, Im a grass court man out and out. But grass isnt that important outside its 10% window and Im not sure Brits are actually that much better in it than other countries.

Players like Borg did indeed learn to play Borg grass and clay - in fact he struggled most at Flushing Meadow and its higher bounce. Vilas was a clay superstar and learnt grass also, winning two Aussie Opens and a Masters Finals on grass. Not as many fast courters learnt clay - Sampras famously struggled, McEnroe didnt achieve the same levels, but some did learn to play on it - Edberg got to an FO final IIRC and Henman a semi, Kriek a semi.

I like the power, I like the flair that grass rewards, I like shots being hit for winners. So I like grass. But I do agree clay is the best surface for a players development.

There is of course room for all the surfaces. Players can learn how to play clay and grass, it needs patience, desire and not a little skill to do well on both and the Brits, generally (Andy excepted, JoKo as well of course) havent learnt how to play on clay and that is a shame.

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