Week 17 - WTA1000 - Madrid, Spain Clay

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Week 17 - WTA1000 - Madrid, Spain Clay

Blue_Belle · Strong Club Player

Helen40 wrote:
Has Hev retired from singles? I don't get why she's here just to play dubs.

Not to public knowledge. Maybe she wasn't getting into quals here or simply didn't want to and give doubles a chance to get more points.

dodrade · Satellite level

PaulM wrote:
I mean I struggle to see a win but Busca is not a bad draw at this level. Go for it Harriet.

-- Edited by PaulM on Tuesday 23rd of April 2024 08:11:50 PM

After last week I don't think anyone expected her to make the MD so who knows?

Lambda · Futures level

Blue_Belle wrote:
Helen40 wrote:
Has Hev retired from singles? I don't get why she's here just to play dubs.
Not to public knowledge. Maybe she wasn't getting into quals here or simply didn't want to and give doubles a chance to get more points.

Heather chose not to play qualis. She wouldn't have been in at the time of the draw but could have got in as a 2nd alt to play Saville. Whether having missed out on the draw she decided not to travel and sign in as an alt, or whether she hadn't entered we don't know. She's not retired from singles as she has entered Rome, but as 62nd alt for the main draw at the entry date suggests she has little chance of getting into qualis without lots of withdrawals.

9vicman · Strong Club Player

Lambda wrote:
the addict wrote:

SuperT wrote:
With OpenEraRankings not being updated this week I am struggling to work out Harriet's ranking points. How many mandatory scores does she have to retain before she's allowed drop any? She currently has 4 slams and 4 Masters events which with the exception of Madrid are her lowest counters. Any help in understanding how this works would be much appreciated. Thank you
From Coric "According to latest official rankings of WTA, main draw results of 4 Grand Slams and Indian Wells/Miami/Madrid should count, and best 1 result of Rome/Rogers Cup/Cincinnati/Guadalajara/Doha/Dubai should count even if loss in qualification rounds"
Both Coric and live.eu show Harriet at a new CH of 82 after today's win and on 819 points.

Coric is slightly incorrect. Losses in qualifying are not a mandatory counter. They were for about 6 weeks for the 1 "other" mandatory, but that was changed back after Miami to not counting. Harriet's only mandatory counter on Monday was Wimbledon. She will now be required to count Madrid. It should be noted we are in a transition period for mandatory counters and as tournaments are played this year mandatory counters will change [I'm assuming given what are currently counting as mandatory counters doesn't reflect what the rulebook says should count].

Mandatory counters from 2023 events are as described above (except qualifying isn't mandatory).
Mandatory counters from 2024 events are 4 Grand Slams, 6 combined/virtual combined 1000s (I'm assuming they are IW, Miami, Madrid, Rome, Canada, Cincy, Beijing), 1 "WTA only" 1000 (Doha, Dubai, Wuhan)

Thanks Lambda. Does that mean that players don't have to count one of the combined/virtual combined 1000s if there are seven of them?

Peter too · Tennis legend

wolf wrote:
Peter too wrote:
Emma is playing 2nd on Arantxa Sanchez tomorrow, play on that court is scheduled to start at 10.00. If that is Madrid time it suggests Emma's match should start around 10.30 UK time. Harriet is 3rd on Stadium 3. Harriet's match should start around midday.

-- Edited by Peter too on Tuesday 23rd of April 2024 07:19:59 PM
Emma is 3rd on after 10am UK. If your looking at the WTA website it does not show the mens match which is first on and defaults to your local time already.

BET365, which I usually use to find the match times, wasn't showing Emma's match until very late last night, so I just used the WTA list. They are now estimating that both Emma's an Harriets matches will start at 13.30.

PaulM · Tennis legend

Emma lost the first 7 points of the match to go 0-1 0-40* down.

She just missed a break point. *0-2

Harriet has missed a few individual break points. *2-3

wales1994 · Club Coach

How on earth is Emma being thrashed here?

nicofrance · Intermediate Club Player

Its a horror show so far for Emma .

After her good performance against Swiatek I thought shed carry that into this event .

-- Edited by nicofrance on Wednesday 24th of April 2024 01:58:48 PM

-- Edited by nicofrance on Wednesday 24th of April 2024 01:59:23 PM

scottie1 · Futures level

nicofrance wrote:
Its a horror show so far for Emma .

After her good performance against Swiatek I thought shed carry that into this event .
Definitely a horror show Emma looks lethargic against an Argentinian non entity

-- Edited by nicofrance on Wednesday 24th of April 2024 01:58:48 PM

-- Edited by nicofrance on Wednesday 24th of April 2024 01:59:23 PM

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

Lambda wrote:
Blue_Belle wrote:

Helen40 wrote:
Has Hev retired from singles? I don't get why she's here just to play dubs.
Not to public knowledge. Maybe she wasn't getting into quals here or simply didn't want to and give doubles a chance to get more points.
Heather chose not to play qualis. She wouldn't have been in at the time of the draw but could have got in as a 2nd alt to play Saville. Whether having missed out on the draw she decided not to travel and sign in as an alt, or whether she hadn't entered we don't know. She's not retired from singles as she has entered Rome, but as 62nd alt for the main draw at the entry date suggests she has little chance of getting into qualis without lots of withdrawals.

Thanks all, I just found it odd t travel somewhere where she could have played singles and not if she hadn't retired.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

scottie1 wrote:
nicofrance wrote:
Its a horror show so far for Emma .

After her good performance against Swiatek I thought shed carry that into this event .
Definitely a horror show Emma looks lethargic against an Argentinian non entity

I'll be interested in what the reasons are in her presser.

PaulM · Tennis legend

Ouch.

And Harriet has lost 5 games in a row to go *4-5 down in the second.

Peter too · Tennis legend

R1: RADUCANU, Emma (GBR) 221 (CH=10 2022) lost to CARLE, Maria Lourdes (ARG) 82 =CH 2-6 2-6
R1: DART, Harriet (GBR) (11) 88 (CH=84 2022) lost to BUCSA, Cristina (ESP) 75 (CH=56 2024) 4-6 4-6
They have played twice before with Harriet winning in three 2019 and Cristina in three in 2022

Maria was playing very well and taking every opportunity but Emma was making lots of unforced errors. In her recent matches Emma's very low unforced error count has been remarked on by commentators, so what went wrong today is a mystery. I didn't see a single smile from Emma from when she arrived on court to when she left.

scottie1 · Futures level

Seemingly Emma was reported as feeling very tired -this was from Annie K