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Bob in Spain wrote:

Both delighted and still a bit gutted for KJT. Wonderful performance.

I think she got a little unlucky with the wind direction in the 200m last night. Seemed to be behind for the earlier heat when Thiam ran but was slightly against for Kat. Could have made a difference of a couple of tenths maybe. Not sure what that would have meant in terms of points.


 It was a bit weird scheduling, not much rest between the shot and 200m, normally they put the 200m as the last event, but TV dictates.

Similarly today. Normally LJ morning, Jav first thing in the evening and 800m last event, but put LJ and Jav in morning and 800m in middle of session



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Imane Khelif beats Liu Yang to take gold in the Mixed 66kg boxing.

IOC President Thomas Bach says that there is no way to identify men and women.

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Great to hear from KJT on BBC this morning ;

"To put together my heptathlon in this way just makes me feel that I have got more longevity in the event."

So hopefully not a climax but a memorable staging post. May she enjoy quite a few years relatively injury free and be able to truly test her boundaries.



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Lin Yu Ting beats Julia Szeremeta to take gold in the Mixed 57kg boxing.


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Danny1312 wrote:

To be quite honest whilst I don't doubt the sport with the dubious nature of the judges calls this Olympics I'd not be to surprised to see boxing axed... I watched 5/6 fights and all seemed to me anyway to have been the wrong calls.


 You might already know this but its gone in 2028. The IBF has been dodgy/potentially corrupt and wont be back until its sorted out, which I believe is still iffy for 2032 as well. 

The only fight Ive seen (to be fair Ive only seen 5-6 as well) where the result seemed clearly accurate was the Algerian girls win yesterday. 

I used to climb regularly, dont live near a bouldering wall anymore sadly but I LOVE seeing it in the olympics. The overhang on the walls theyre climbing/strength and control involved is mad. 



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Barefoot wrote:
Danny1312 wrote:

To be quite honest whilst I don't doubt the sport with the dubious nature of the judges calls this Olympics I'd not be to surprised to see boxing axed... I watched 5/6 fights and all seemed to me anyway to have been the wrong calls.


 You might already know this but its gone in 2028. The IBF has been dodgy/potentially corrupt and wont be back until its sorted out, which I believe is still iffy for 2032 as well. 

The only fight Ive seen (to be fair Ive only seen 5-6 as well) where the result seemed clearly accurate was the Algerian girls win yesterday. 

I used to climb regularly, dont live near a bouldering wall anymore sadly but I LOVE seeing it in the olympics. The overhang on the walls theyre climbing/strength and control involved is mad. 


 https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/boxings-inclusion-la-2028-games-be-decided-next-year-iocs-bach-2024-08-09/

I read that boxing is currently not on the list for 2028 but that's because at the moment they're trying to negotiate with the WBO or anyone else, and a final decision will be taken next year

Would be very happy to see the back of it - but it does seem a shame. I like the idea of using AI to be part of the judge - how many hits, impact (by degree of head deflection), how much attacking etc - something has to be done to take the decision out of judges' hands as much as possible - other sports with discretionary judging have now incorporated some computer part to the score (like trampolining) and it's far better 

And, YES, wasn't sport climing brilliant????? My favourite part was watching all the competitors at the start, in their 6 minute prep time, all talking to each other, discussing how to do it, what moves might be needed in various places etc. Absolutely mental how they manage to hang on with a fingertip. And find different ways to do things. And such a good sport for the crowd too - huge wall that you can see from miles away.



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Coup Droit wrote:
Barefoot wrote:
Danny1312 wrote:

To be quite honest whilst I don't doubt the sport with the dubious nature of the judges calls this Olympics I'd not be to surprised to see boxing axed... I watched 5/6 fights and all seemed to me anyway to have been the wrong calls.


 You might already know this but its gone in 2028. The IBF has been dodgy/potentially corrupt and wont be back until its sorted out, which I believe is still iffy for 2032 as well. 

The only fight Ive seen (to be fair Ive only seen 5-6 as well) where the result seemed clearly accurate was the Algerian girls win yesterday. 

I used to climb regularly, dont live near a bouldering wall anymore sadly but I LOVE seeing it in the olympics. The overhang on the walls theyre climbing/strength and control involved is mad. 


 https://www.reuters.com/sports/olympics/boxings-inclusion-la-2028-games-be-decided-next-year-iocs-bach-2024-08-09/

I read that boxing is currently not on the list for 2028 but that's because at the moment they're trying to negotiate with the WBO or anyone else, and a final decision will be taken next year

Would be very happy to see the back of it - but it does seem a shame. I like the idea of using AI to be part of the judge - how many hits, impact (by degree of head deflection), how much attacking etc - something has to be done to take the decision out of judges' hands as much as possible - other sports with discretionary judging have now incorporated some computer part to the score (like trampolining) and it's far better 

And, YES, wasn't sport climing brilliant????? My favourite part was watching all the competitors at the start, in their 6 minute prep time, all talking to each other, discussing how to do it, what moves might be needed in various places etc. Absolutely mental how they manage to hang on with a fingertip. And find different ways to do things. And such a good sport for the crowd too - huge wall that you can see from miles away.


I think sport climbing ended as my favourite sport this Olympics. Brilliant to watch for all the reasons above.

boxing - yes; the judging was often as if they were watching different fights to the rest of us; Steve Bunce and Ronald McIntosh on commentary were often left baffled.  



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Maybe a naive question - what has happened to all the African middle and long distance runners? Only a couple of years back, all the events from 1500m through marathon would be Africa dominated. This year its collapsed- watching the womens marathon, its currently French, us and Aussie led.

I know this may be a bad question to ask but is it linked to doping? I dont know or follow closely enough so Im asking the question without any knowledge or prejudice.

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I would say that they are still pretty dominant at steeplechase and above. Not sure I would have ever included the 1500 in that? You always get the odd person that infiltrates that. Paula Radcliffe was the best marathoner for many years. Sometimes people were born African but moved elsewhere as refugees like Mo Farah or Sifan Hassan.

In the mens 5000 they did not run it as a true race and let Ingebrigtsen a 1500 specialist win.

The funniest is the mens javelin. Formerly European dominated now athletes from India, Grenada, Trinidad, Kenya and Pakistan are at the top.

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I had heard something like that! I'm not overt to it staying but only if the do find a way to rule it fairly. seems pointless otherwise having it there.



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wolf wrote:

I would say that they are still pretty dominant at steeplechase and above. Not sure I would have ever included the 1500 in that? You always get the odd person that infiltrates that. Paula Radcliffe was the best marathoner for many years. Sometimes people were born African but moved elsewhere as refugees like Mo Farah or Sifan Hassan.

In the mens 5000 they did not run it as a true race and let Ingebrigtsen a 1500 specialist win.

The funniest is the mens javelin. Formerly European dominated now athletes from India, Grenada, Trinidad, Kenya and Pakistan are at the top.


 Yeah, the javelin switch from east and Central European dominated to a whole plethora of non European nations is very exciting. botswana coming through as a sprint power as well! 



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wolf wrote:

I would say that they are still pretty dominant at steeplechase and above. Not sure I would have ever included the 1500 in that? You always get the odd person that infiltrates that. Paula Radcliffe was the best marathoner for many years. Sometimes people were born African but moved elsewhere as refugees like Mo Farah or Sifan Hassan.

In the mens 5000 they did not run it as a true race and let Ingebrigtsen a 1500 specialist win.

The funniest is the mens javelin. Formerly European dominated now athletes from India, Grenada, Trinidad, Kenya and Pakistan are at the top.


 Re the africans, mainly the ethiopian and Kenya athletes, maybe Im just mis remembering - Id heard a couple of the Kenyans got caught doping and maybe my memory took me places! 



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Barefoot wrote:
Danny1312 wrote:

To be quite honest whilst I don't doubt the sport with the dubious nature of the judges calls this Olympics I'd not be to surprised to see boxing axed... I watched 5/6 fights and all seemed to me anyway to have been the wrong calls.


You might already know this but its gone in 2028. The IBF has been dodgy/potentially corrupt and wont be back until its sorted out, which I believe is still iffy for 2032 as well. 
 


Boxing at the Paris Olympics was organised by the 'Paris 2024 Boxing Unit' (i.e. directly by the IOC) not the IBA. A similar arrangement was used for Tokyo.



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JonH comes home wrote:
wolf wrote:

I would say that they are still pretty dominant at steeplechase and above. Not sure I would have ever included the 1500 in that? You always get the odd person that infiltrates that. Paula Radcliffe was the best marathoner for many years. Sometimes people were born African but moved elsewhere as refugees like Mo Farah or Sifan Hassan.

In the mens 5000 they did not run it as a true race and let Ingebrigtsen a 1500 specialist win.

The funniest is the mens javelin. Formerly European dominated now athletes from India, Grenada, Trinidad, Kenya and Pakistan are at the top.


 Re the africans, mainly the ethiopian and Kenya athletes, maybe Im just mis remembering - Id heard a couple of the Kenyans got caught doping and maybe my memory took me places! 


 Actually, Jon, I'd noticed the same - not really the doping part (although, yes, I'd read that too) but more simply that there seemed to be far less 1-2-3s from African runners, both women and men and, yes, from 1500m upwards

Now, maybe I'm wrong, or maybe it's just an anomoly of one or two 'outsiders', but I'd noticed (or thought I'd noticed) it too Jon



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Coup Droit wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
wolf wrote:

I would say that they are still pretty dominant at steeplechase and above. Not sure I would have ever included the 1500 in that? You always get the odd person that infiltrates that. Paula Radcliffe was the best marathoner for many years. Sometimes people were born African but moved elsewhere as refugees like Mo Farah or Sifan Hassan.

In the mens 5000 they did not run it as a true race and let Ingebrigtsen a 1500 specialist win.

The funniest is the mens javelin. Formerly European dominated now athletes from India, Grenada, Trinidad, Kenya and Pakistan are at the top.


 Re the africans, mainly the ethiopian and Kenya athletes, maybe Im just mis remembering - Id heard a couple of the Kenyans got caught doping and maybe my memory took me places! 


 Actually, Jon, I'd noticed the same - not really the doping part (although, yes, I'd read that too) but more simply that there seemed to be far less 1-2-3s from African runners, both women and men and, yes, from 1500m upwards

Now, maybe I'm wrong, or maybe it's just an anomoly of one or two 'outsiders', but I'd noticed (or thought I'd noticed) it too Jon


Glad Im not going nuts! Just yet! Not heard any commentators mention it, so maybe it is not so overt as to us casual observers! 



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