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Some really great athletics in the last few nights with the men's 100 m and men's pole vault. And with more particular British interest, our women's 800 m gold and men's 1500 m and 400m silvers ( both in British records with golds snatched by darn fast finishing Americans ). Keely, Josh and Matthew, I salute you.

That's now 49 medals in total after day 12 ( 12G, 17S, 20B ), 1 more in total than Tokyo after day 12 with hopefully quite a few more to come, particularly from track cycling. We will no doubt meet the UK Sport target of 50 to 70 medals in total and while our golds total will fall short of the totals from the last 3 games, hopefully we will yet get into the 60s in total for the 4th Games in a row.

London 2012 : 65 ( 29G, 18S, 18B )
Rio 2016 : 67 ( 27G, 23S, 17B )
Tokyo 2020 ; 64 ( 22G, 20S, 22B )

Overall I think Paris has put on a quite magnificent Games with great venues and atmospheres ( eg. women's speed climbing today - who'd have thought ).

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 Very much agree it has been a fabulous games. I dont know enough about the last few days events to know whether another 15 medals in those 4 days is do able - I can see we are equal to Tokyo, or 1 better, but do the events favour us this time round? 

either way, weve done well once again, probably fifth in the medals list - australia and France appear to be the two nations doing very well. 

the BOC person who I heard say 50/70 also said they typically expect 1 in 3 to be gold, so 16 to 24? Not sure we will get to 20 but maybe 16 golds is still possible? Cycling would seem to be one route to a couple more golds, anywhere else? 

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I dont want to get too involved in this debate other than to say people need to be very careful on the language and tone they use in this debate. The narrative here in general (not on this board, in general) seems to be one of "hate" towards these people as if they are trying to pull a fast one. The vast majority of people affected by one of these variety of conditions are human beings with emotions and no ill intent.

It reminds me of the whole narrative aimed at the asylum seekers and immigrants around the "enough is enough" protests and riots going on - a feeling of hate is growing/exists as if the people who are immigrants or asylum seekers have ill intent towards others and are bad people at heart. They aren't, or most aren't, and we cant treat people like that on all of these debates - it incites and fuels hatred and we should all be better and more intelligent than that.

My daughter has what is regarded as an intersex condition - she is very much a girl, always has been (a woman now in fact) and is beautiful and intelligent and pretty. I wont share the conditions name but when she read about it in more detail when old enough, it upset her for it to be described as intersex; and the recent narrative around this whole debate at the Olympics has impacted her confidence and anxiety levels enormously.

So, please, consider the humans in this and the emotions and the wider people impacted and let's not spout or fuel any hatred.

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 just thought I would repost this, just to respond to later posts

Steve J wrote:

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JonH comes home wrote:

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So, please, consider the humans in this and the emotions and the wider people impacted and let's not spout or fuel any hatred.

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Yes, lets consider the female boxers who have had to step into the ring to face male boxers. Males who punch 160% harder than females.

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 I didnt just mean the boxers involved. The whole debate and the attitude of many is to spout hatred and it causes upset to many, like my daughter, who are impacted by the stuff they hear because it affects them and relates to their situation.

But you obviously didnt read that bit of my post or dont care. Anyway, will leave it there, leave you to it   

indiana wrote:

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Steve J wrote:

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JonH comes home wrote:

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So, please, consider the humans in this and the emotions and the wider people impacted and let's not spout or fuel any hatred.

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Yes, lets consider the female boxers who have had to step into the ring to face male boxers. Males who punch 160% harder than females.

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 There isn't a person in this thread who has suggested it is OK for these two boxers to be competing in Olympic female boxing, quite the opposite from anyone who has expressed an opinion on that particular matter. It is surely very clar that they have likely unfair physical / medical advantages, which should have been properly investigated and tested prior to the Games, in a physical contact sport. The IOC are all over the place unlike many individual sporting federations who have much more got to grips with things and shown sheer common sense to protect  creditable female sporting competition.

So in that regard you are preaching to the converted. There has just been some argument about your terminology which is a separate issue, rather than folk in any way being OK with this boxing fiasco. 

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 Exactly, this. Thanks Indy, as often. For some reason, SteveJ doesn't wish to understand that or engage around the fact that there are other angles on this we need to be careful of. 

indiana wrote:

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Steve J wrote:

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indiana wrote:

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And with more particular British interest, our women's 800 m gold ...

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Excellent result for Keely Hodgkinson. Interesting to note that a woman running the same time (1:56.72) in the event in 2016 would have finished 3rd.

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 Quite interesting, and I suspect an underlying point. Worth saying though that middle distance finals are not time trials but races.

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 It is worth saying, there are a number of records in athletics that reach back to the 80's, many of them in womens events, many of them in mens. Clearly, many of those are linked to doping at that point in history.

The longest standing record, though, is Jonathan Edwards triple jump - maybe because of his background (British, Christian) or his physique, wiry as opposed to muscular, I have never felt his achievements, which stand 30 years or so later (he set his record during an amazing series of jumps in 1995) , were ever related to doping, although I could very well be naive!!