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Week 2 - ITF M25 - Loughborough, Great Britain (indoor hard)


Jay and Kyle have gone to a third set

I was pleased Jay won the second set - and Kyle might want to think about what happened....

It's towards the end of the set (4-4, I think) and Jay is serving, at 15-0, I think, and in the rally he prepares to hit a forehand - his body shape is wrong, feet slightly wrong, the ball is always going in the net - BUT as he's hitting it, a ball from the other court rolls towards their court and comes onto the court. On his side of the court, although it ened up a little behind him.

The umpire refused to play a let - Jay was absolutely expecting one - and gave the point to Kyle

Jay obviously protested long and hard but the umpire wasn't going to change his mind

Now, IMO, Jay was right and the umpire was wrong. It didn't matter that Jay's ball was always going in the net - that's not the rule - the point was Jay may well have had the stray ball in the corner of hie eye as he was hitting his shot - it seems to me he probably did. And so the point should have been replayed.

But no. And Jay then played some excellent tennis, obviously cross, and held serve very easily and then won the set 7-5

Now, Kyle - again just my opinion - would have been a wise (and fair) man if he conceded the let. It wouldn't have given the point to Jay. Just replayed it. It would have been the right thing to do. And, from a self-serving point of view, it wasn't an important point and it would also have prevented Jay getting all wound up - and hence playing better.



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Anyone know what's going on here? I looked away at the change of ends and Kyle is now in a heated discussion with the officials.

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Kyle gets the win! 6-3 5-7 6-4! A tight old affair.

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L32:  Kyle Edmund WR 539 defeated (6) Jay Clarke WR 385 by 6-3 5-7 6-4  smile  cry

Interesting account of the stray ball incident, CD.  Good to have an insider's perspective.  Time for Beechy to have a word in his shell-like?

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Hate it when two 'favs' play each other in the 1st round, but pleased to see Kyle get the win. That was a decent quality match.

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Anyone know what's going on here? I looked away at the change of ends and Kyle is now in a heated discussion with the officials.


 No. I missed that one. But he ended up getting the tournament referee out and everything, or so it seemed.

And Jay seemed well cross / upset at the end - that's one racket that's going straight in the bin...



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SuperT wrote:

Anyone know what's going on here? I looked away at the change of ends and Kyle is now in a heated discussion with the officials.


Was wondering that too.  Match referee was called.  They seemed to be pointing to the back of the court.  Perhaps there was a 'time violation' called and Kyle was just pointing out that he was rounding up the balls.  Can't think of any other explanation.



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SuperT wrote:

Anyone know what's going on here? I looked away at the change of ends and Kyle is now in a heated discussion with the officials.


Was wondering that too.  Match referee was called.  They seemed to be pointing to the back of the court.  Perhaps there was a 'time violation' called and Kyle was just pointing out that he was rounding up the balls.  Can't think of any other explanation.


 I'd thought it might possibly have been people behind him, making noise, 'deliberately' putting him off, or something like that

Because he was pointing to the back of the court, on the camera side, where the people are watching / passing through



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Always disappointing when Jay loses, but Kedders definitely needed it more. Especially to come through a tight 3 setter as that has not been his forte in recent months.

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Jay and Kyle have gone to a third set

I was pleased Jay won the second set - and Kyle might want to think about what happened....

It's towards the end of the set (4-4, I think) and Jay is serving, at 15-0, I think, and in the rally he prepares to hit a forehand - his body shape is wrong, feet slightly wrong, the ball is always going in the net - BUT as he's hitting it, a ball from the other court rolls towards their court and comes onto the court. On his side of the court, although it ened up a little behind him.

The umpire refused to play a let - Jay was absolutely expecting one - and gave the point to Kyle

Jay obviously protested long and hard but the umpire wasn't going to change his mind

Now, IMO, Jay was right and the umpire was wrong. It didn't matter that Jay's ball was always going in the net - that's not the rule - the point was Jay may well have had the stray ball in the corner of hie eye as he was hitting his shot - it seems to me he probably did. And so the point should have been replayed.

But no. And Jay then played some excellent tennis, obviously cross, and held serve very easily and then won the set 7-5

Now, Kyle - again just my opinion - would have been a wise (and fair) man if he conceded the let. It wouldn't have given the point to Jay. Just replayed it. It would have been the right thing to do. And, from a self-serving point of view, it wasn't an important point and it would also have prevented Jay getting all wound up - and hence playing better.


Ive just seen a clip of this somewhere. In my view, theyd both be doing the same. Completely see your point but in my personal opinion its one of those where youd applaud it if they did concede rather than expect them to, if that makes sense?

 

its a shame they met as you could argue theyd have met in the final, and they both need points. 



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Yes, Jaffa, I agree

I'm not saying Kyle wasn't 'fairplay' - it wasn't a 100% clear-cut error by the umpire; more like a 70-80% error (IMO)

But, given it was a 70% error, and given what happened after, Kyle might want to take the lesson that it would have been 'canny', as well as ultra fairplay, to allow a replay

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Nice win for Hurrion over Chidekh

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L16:  Daniil Glinka (EST) WR 495 (CH = 489 last November) vs Kyle Edmund WR 539

L32:  (1) Charles Broom WR 328 defeated (Q) Hamish Stewart WR 654 by 5 & 4

L32:  (Q) Millen Hurrion WR 747 defeated (5) Clément Chidekh (FRA) WR 377 by 3-6 6-3 7-6(3)  biggrin

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L16:  Viktor Durasovic (NOR) WR 431 vs (Q) Millen Hurrion WR 747



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Super win from Millen. I like that man....

And, also important, Millen lost against Chidekh last September, only 4 months ago, in two sets

So even better to come through today



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