Week 1 - United Cup, Perth/Sydney, Australia - Hard Outdoor

Jan · Hall of fame

Week 1 - United Cup, Perth/Sydney, Australia - Hard Indoor

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

seagull wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Marvellous start to the year for Cam.

How do the ranking points work here again, what does Cam and later Katie get for a win?
Norrie gets 45 points for his win as De Minaur a Top 20 player.
Katie I assume only gets 15 points as Alya ranked so low.

Thanks sssgullz - is there a points table published somewhere, that you could link to? Thanks !

seagull · Hall of fame

I found it on Wikipieda

Strongbow · All-time great

seagull wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Marvellous start to the year for Cam.

How do the ranking points work here again, what does Cam and later Katie get for a win?
Norrie gets 45 points for his win as De Minaur a Top 20 player.
Katie I assume only gets 15 points as Alya ranked so low.

OER showing Katie with 35 - No idea how it works confuse

https://www.unitedcup.com/en/score-centre/group-standings

-- Edited by Strongbow on Friday 29th of December 2023 02:36:12 PM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

seagull wrote:
I found it on Wikipieda

Ok, thank you

seagull · Hall of fame

Strongbow wrote:
seagull wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Marvellous start to the year for Cam.

How do the ranking points work here again, what does Cam and later Katie get for a win?
Norrie gets 45 points for his win as De Minaur a Top 20 player.
Katie I assume only gets 15 points as Alya ranked so low.

OER showing Katie with 35 - No idea how it works
https://www.unitedcup.com/en/score-centre/group-standings

-- Edited by Strongbow on Friday 29th of December 2023 02:36:12 PM

Maybe Ijla's PR ranking counts for this.

9vicman · Strong Club Player

seagull wrote:
Strongbow wrote:
seagull wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Marvellous start to the year for Cam.

How do the ranking points work here again, what does Cam and later Katie get for a win?
Norrie gets 45 points for his win as De Minaur a Top 20 player.
Katie I assume only gets 15 points as Alya ranked so low.

OER showing Katie with 35 - No idea how it works
https://www.unitedcup.com/en/score-centre/group-standings

-- Edited by Strongbow on Friday 29th of December 2023 02:36:12 PM
Maybe Ijla's PR ranking counts for this.

15 will be correct. A protected ranking is used for entry purposes only.

9vicman · Strong Club Player

Am still wondering why Dan Evans chose to be part of the team. Maybe this was only ever going to be a practice week.

Strongbow · All-time great

Pepperstone ATP Rankings Points / WTA Rankings Points

Opponent's Ranking	1-10	11-20	21-30
Final Win	180	140	120
SF Win	130	105	90
QF Win	80	65	55
Group Win	55	45	40
Max Points	500	400	345

Opponent's Ranking	31-50	51-100	101-250	251+
Final Win	90	60	40	35
SF Win	60	40	35	25
QF Win	40	35	25	20
Group Win	35	25	20	15
Max Points	260	185	140	110

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

Stircrazy wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:
RR/1: (8) Cameron Norrie WR 18 defeated (15) Alex de Miñaur (AUS) WR 12 by 6-4 2-6 7-6(2)
Great Britain 1 Australia 0
RR/2: (8) Katie Boulter WR 56 defeated (15) Ajla Tomljanovic (AUS) WR 290 by 2 & 4
Great Britain 2 Australia 0

RR/3: (15) Storm Hunter & Matthew Ebden (AUS/AUS) CR 5 (1+4) defeated (8) Katie Boulter & Neal Skupski CR 1381 (1372+9) by 6-3 7-6(5)

Great Britain 2 Australia 1

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Strongbow wrote:
seagull wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Marvellous start to the year for Cam.

How do the ranking points work here again, what does Cam and later Katie get for a win?
Norrie gets 45 points for his win as De Minaur a Top 20 player.
Katie I assume only gets 15 points as Alya ranked so low.

OER showing Katie with 35 - No idea how it works
https://www.unitedcup.com/en/score-centre/group-standings

-- Edited by Strongbow on Friday 29th of December 2023 02:36:12 PM

6 group winners and two best runners up get through. All runners up will inevitably have a 1-1 record, cant be anything else. So pretty certainly will need a positive rubbers tally ie 4-2, to get through

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Not meaning to be the spoilsport here, but this is technically an invitation event and therefore there shouldn't be any points available IMO. But that's just me.

Regardless of that, excellent wins for Cam and Katie.

9vicman · Strong Club Player

Bob in Spain wrote:
Not meaning to be the spoilsport here, but this is technically an invitation event and therefore there shouldn't be any points available IMO. But that's just me.

Regardless of that, excellent wins for Cam and Katie.

Technically it isn't an invitation event as rankings of the top players are used to determine a nation's entry. That said it still feels exhibition in style, and am not comfortable with points being awarded in this event, and not in Davis Cup or Billie Jean King Cup. But the points aren't that generous, and for the winner to win 500 points they'd have to defeat Top 10 players in all five matches. However without points I suspect the entry would be weaker. It's basically like a larger version of the Hopman Cup now - you've lost the big team element that you had in 2023.

Stircrazy · Tennis legend

RE: Week 1 - United Cup, Perth/Sydney, Australia - Hard Outdoor

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

9vicman wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Not meaning to be the spoilsport here, but this is technically an invitation event and therefore there shouldn't be any points available IMO. But that's just me.

Regardless of that, excellent wins for Cam and Katie.
Technically it isn't an invitation event as rankings of the top players are used to determine a nation's entry. That said it still feels exhibition in style, and am not comfortable with points being awarded in this event, and not in Davis Cup or Billie Jean King Cup. But the points aren't that generous, and for the winner to win 500 points they'd have to defeat Top 10 players in all five matches. However without points I suspect the entry would be weaker. It's basically like a larger version of the Hopman Cup now - you've lost the big team element that you had in 2023.

But can all nations participate ? There are players higher ranked that are excluded, than some of those participating. Unless entry is purely on rankings, that makes it 'invitational' in my opìnion.