Womens ITF name/ WTA ranking points changes

Lambda · Futures level

Womens ITF name/ WTA ranking points changes

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

RE: Womens ITF structure changes

Lambda · Futures level

Ah, yes points go down at all levels from WTA125 to 25k. 15k points increase.

https://polski-tenis.pl/tenis-mniej-punktow-za-zwyciestwa-w-wiekszosci-turniejow-itf-i-wta-125/

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
Ah, yes points go down at all levels from WTA125 to 25k. 15k points increase.

https://polski-tenis.pl/tenis-mniej-punktow-za-zwyciestwa-w-wiekszosci-turniejow-itf-i-wta-125/

which is good but clearly the lower level players will feel they miss out If points go down

Lambda · Futures level

We'll need to see whether the WTA are adjusting points for their events, but this with the WTA calendar and entry rule changes it does seem like it will be much harder to break into the group at the top of the rankings.

the addict · Tennis legend

So a W35 in name is a W25 by category with $25k total prize-money. What on earth is the point of changing the name ? They could at least up the prize money to $35k to match the name.

Can't comment on the points as the link won't load for me.

Lambda · Futures level

RE: Womens ITF ranking points changes

Strongbow · All-time great

Womens ITF name/ WTA ranking points changes

SuperT · Futures qualifying

Strongbow wrote:
Lambda wrote:
The link just confirms winners points match the new name of the levels.
WTA125 - 125 pts
W100 (100k) - 100pts
W75 (60k) - 75 pts
W50 (40k) - 50pts
W35 (25k) - 35 pts
W15 (15k) - 15pts

80k removed.

Load of old B*llocks. - just seems to be a re-brand - which is cheap.

-- Edited by Strongbow on Thursday 2nd of November 2023 01:21:44 AM

I think its worse than that. Reducing the points allocated at lower level tournaments will make it harder than ever to climb the rankings and consequently harder for those players to make a living out of tennis. Seems like a retrograde step to me.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

With what the WTA are doing in their focus on the WTA 500 and 1000 events and stopping top players playing 250's , is this all part of a strategy ie to create an elite level of names with less movement up and down and less "chaos" across the ranking systems etc? A bit like golf which keeps a club of 120 or so players on a tour which is hard to break into. It may not be so overt as all that but it makes you wonder - this may be ITF events mentioned above but the points system is the WTA's

Lambda · Futures level

JonH comes home wrote:

With what the WTA are doing in their focus on the WTA 500 and 1000 events and stopping top players playing 250's , is this all part of a strategy ie to create an elite level of names with less movement up and down and less "chaos" across the ranking systems etc? A bit like golf which keeps a club of 120 or so players on a tour which is hard to break into. It may not be so overt as all that but it makes you wonder - this may be ITF events mentioned above but the points system is the WTA's

I think that's the aim. On the document players have received the Jamie Loeb posted, it says
These changes are part of broader changes approved by the WTA at WTA level.... These changes take into account the new WTA calendar as well as an increase in the amount of WTA125 and ITF tournaments.

Var · Club Coach

Lambda wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

With what the WTA are doing in their focus on the WTA 500 and 1000 events and stopping top players playing 250's , is this all part of a strategy ie to create an elite level of names with less movement up and down and less "chaos" across the ranking systems etc? A bit like golf which keeps a club of 120 or so players on a tour which is hard to break into. It may not be so overt as all that but it makes you wonder - this may be ITF events mentioned above but the points system is the WTA's

I think that's the aim. On the document players have received the Jamie Loeb posted, it says
These changes are part of broader changes approved by the WTA at WTA level.... These changes take into account the new WTA calendar as well as an increase in the amount of WTA125 and ITF tournaments.

Could it work to a player's advantage as they move through the rankings? I think that pre-Grand Slams the WTA 250s can be stacked with the top 50 players making it difficult for lower ranked players to even grab a place in qualifying. Might it help progression? I am not sure I will bow to the experts on here but maybe having more ITF100s and more opportunities for lower-ranked players to enter WTA 250s might help - it certainly helped Katie B consolidate her current ranking.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Var wrote:
Lambda wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

With what the WTA are doing in their focus on the WTA 500 and 1000 events and stopping top players playing 250's , is this all part of a strategy ie to create an elite level of names with less movement up and down and less "chaos" across the ranking systems etc? A bit like golf which keeps a club of 120 or so players on a tour which is hard to break into. It may not be so overt as all that but it makes you wonder - this may be ITF events mentioned above but the points system is the WTA's

I think that's the aim. On the document players have received the Jamie Loeb posted, it says
These changes are part of broader changes approved by the WTA at WTA level.... These changes take into account the new WTA calendar as well as an increase in the amount of WTA125 and ITF tournaments.
Could it work to a player's advantage as they move through the rankings? I think that pre-Grand Slams the WTA 250s can be stacked with the top 50 players making it difficult for lower ranked players to even grab a place in qualifying. Might it help progression? I am not sure I will bow to the experts on here but maybe having more ITF100s and more opportunities for lower-ranked players to enter WTA 250s might help - it certainly helped Katie B consolidate her current ranking.

I guess for a player like Katie, the issue will be how to break into those 500 and 1000 events? If the top 50 women are stacking those events out each time they take place, the top 50 (or whatever the level is) becomes hard to break into for those in the 51-100 range. I guess those at Katies level need to keep on winning at those 250 level or 125 level events, rack up the points and get in to that top 50 or so.

It is sort of making the top 50 an elite, with the 51 below level almost like a super challenger (to borrow the ATP designation) level, and so on down the ranks. Giving more of the money to that elite at the top, at least whilst they can stay there. In turn, the public become more accustomed to the names of those players in the top 50 who are in the 500/1000 events, and more accustomed to the rivalries that they hope will start to develop.

I sort of get what they are trying to do, CVC all over this it would seem. Whether I agree, not sure yet.

PaulM · Tennis legend

Good news on the points restructure. The gap between 15 and 25 was ludicrous and made even less sense when they tried to squeeze 40 category points in. Now that phasing up 15-35-50 is quite logical as a stepping stone.

And reducing the 125 winners points I think is understandable now there are more of those events and it makes the WTA tier progression more sensible.

The issue is the prize money. Changing to 35 for points only but retaining 25k prize money is a joke.

-- Edited by PaulM on Thursday 2nd of November 2023 09:16:12 PM

9vicman · Strong Club Player

WTA changes points awarded for ITF World Tennis Tour events