Hi Anna, welcome aboard 

As has been said the WTA race figures just include WTA tour and above level events ( ie. not ITF ) and are for that particular partnership playing together. So players will appear in the race table at different points with different partners.

The WTA race figures ate not used for entries or seedings in WTA or UTF events. They are really there to establish the top 8 partnerships for the WTA year end finals.

For both WTA abd ITF events, what is used for entries and seedings is a combination of that particular partnership's individual.official ( 12 month rolling ) WTA rankings.

For instance Naiktha and Maia have doubles rankings of WR 93 and WR 94 respectively, so their current combined ranking ( which we here refer to as their CR ) is 187 (93+94)

As a slight aside, rather confusingly ( and for some controversially ), for doubles tournament entry purposes players can substitute their official singles ranking if that is better than their doubles one. Often used by top singles olayers to get into doubles at Slams.
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-- Edited by indiana on Friday 11th of August 2023 03:31:36 PM

Well t least they will be protected from the sun, albeit not protected from an impending ranking drop.

A good effort but the girls come up short, 6-3 6-4

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Welcome Anna. I can't answer your question either, but I have a couple of points to make.

The doubles race only includes points from WTA tournaments - and those you list mainly play ITF tournaments (with the exception of Harriet and Heather) and only a few WTA tournaments although they are moving up to the WTA events in recent months. Incidentally, the positions you quote don't tally with the official WTA rankings - some are only a place or two out but Barnett/Nicholls are at 66 and Christie/Collins at 79

Looking at the player's individual stats on the WTA site, several of our girls have won around $50k-$60k this year (although that does include singles if they have played any). By the time you deduct expenses (travel, hotels, meals etc as well as other expenses from tournaments) there won't be a lot over.

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 I think, TA (or anyone) there was a question in here - Anna correctly assumed Live Tennis was correct and it shows Liv and Lissey and Freya and Ali at way below their actual race positions. Do we know what they are or arent counting that makes it false? Are they lumping in all the ITF events and the WTA are excluding them and that is deflating Liv and Lissey's race position in the eyes of LIve Tennis?   

JonH comes home wrote:

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the addict wrote:

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Welcome Anna. I can't answer your question either, but I have a couple of points to make.

The doubles race only includes points from WTA tournaments - and those you list mainly play ITF tournaments (with the exception of Harriet and Heather) and only a few WTA tournaments although they are moving up to the WTA events in recent months. Incidentally, the positions you quote don't tally with the official WTA rankings - some are only a place or two out but Barnett/Nicholls are at 66 and Christie/Collins at 79

Looking at the player's individual stats on the WTA site, several of our girls have won around $50k-$60k this year (although that does include singles if they have played any). By the time you deduct expenses (travel, hotels, meals etc as well as other expenses from tournaments) there won't be a lot over.

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 I think, TA (or anyone) there was a question in here - Anna correctly assumed Live Tennis was correct and it shows Liv and Lissey and Freya and Ali at way below their actual race positions. Do we know what they are or arent counting that makes it false? Are they lumping in all the ITF events and the WTA are excluding them and that is deflating Liv and Lissey's race position in the eyes of LIve Tennis?   

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 I really don't know without doing the maths what Live Tennis is calculating. The WTA race is what counts though.

We seem to have got some confusion here, and I have just checked live-eu and WTA and both show Naiktha and Maia as a pair to be on 491 points (which is made up of 430 for Wimbledon, 60 for Warsaw and 1 for Prague - with 95 to come from this week)
Lissey and Liv's points come from a consistent run of high level ITF tournaments, so don't count for the race.

So live-eu are calculating the points correctly. (Coric show something different, including ITF points as well).

The rule is (from the WTA rulebook)

"Doubles Race Points are a teams best eleven (11) Tournament ranking point results earned as a team at Grand Slams or WTA 1000, WTA 500, or WTA 250 Tournaments during the current calendar year as of the Monday after the final regular-season Tournament of the current Tour Year."

Live tennis includes doubles teams with only 1 counter, whereas you need to have at least 2 counters as a team to be included on the official race rankings.

For example they have Naiktha & Maia at #30 while the WTA have them at #29. Live tennis has them a place lower because they include Siegemund & Haddad Maia at #27 but Siegemund & Haddad Maia aren't in the official race rankings as they have only played together at Indian Wells.