Week 31 - WTA500 - Citi Open Washington, USA Hard

Nix · Futures level

RE: Week 31 - WTA500 - Citi Open Washington, USA Hard

the addict · Tennis legend

Jodie flew out to America yesterday - for 5 weeks - so obviously planning to play tournaments prior to the USO

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Nix wrote:
indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Just to say, Jodie will fall out of the top 100 next week, shes 101 live ranked and obviously wont get any points to try and claw that back now.
And just to say again, more actually in response to some of the earlier points above, that Jodie had never been inside even the top 200 until June last year.
So overall, based on her own career up to that point, she has hugely progressed in the last year or so and deserves particular credit for some clear improvements in oncourt attitude.
Yes, she was previously underachieving relative to her ability, partly due to that previous attitude, but certainly not particularly now ( although there are still times ) and as well as her rankings rise she has collected some very good scalps.
Of course, constructive criticism and context should be part of our discussions, and Jodie for one has certainly had that. But also let's not be too quick to downplay players who for the vast majority of the time are trying their best ( however much better they and us would wish them to be doing ) and if some may be arguably a bit overranked, so be it - good luck to them, they didn't determine the ranking or WC systems.
Yes, Indy, you said what I was trying to say, but better. Certainly we can critique people but always remembering they are doing their best and recognising how well they are doing.

Agreed - and dont get me wrong, my comment on Jodies ranking above was not intended as criticism, just as a matter of fact/observation which Indy built on much better than I could have done. But agreed.

And worth noting - being a top 100 player and sustaining that is a heck of an impressive performance. I bet if we look down the top 100, certainly the lower levels of it, there are quite a few players who get there based on a golden run , maybe for one or two events that stand out or for a period on one surface.

christ · Futures level

JonH comes home wrote:
Nix wrote:
indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Just to say, Jodie will fall out of the top 100 next week, shes 101 live ranked and obviously wont get any points to try and claw that back now.
And just to say again, more actually in response to some of the earlier points above, that Jodie had never been inside even the top 200 until June last year.
So overall, based on her own career up to that point, she has hugely progressed in the last year or so and deserves particular credit for some clear improvements in oncourt attitude.
Yes, she was previously underachieving relative to her ability, partly due to that previous attitude, but certainly not particularly now ( although there are still times ) and as well as her rankings rise she has collected some very good scalps.
Of course, constructive criticism and context should be part of our discussions, and Jodie for one has certainly had that. But also let's not be too quick to downplay players who for the vast majority of the time are trying their best ( however much better they and us would wish them to be doing ) and if some may be arguably a bit overranked, so be it - good luck to them, they didn't determine the ranking or WC systems.
Yes, Indy, you said what I was trying to say, but better. Certainly we can critique people but always remembering they are doing their best and recognising how well they are doing.
Agreed - and dont get me wrong, my comment on Jodies ranking above was not intended as criticism, just as a matter of fact/observation which Indy built on much better than I could have done. But agreed.
And worth noting - being a top 100 player and sustaining that is a heck of an impressive performance. I bet if we look down the top 100, certainly the lower levels of it, there are quite a few players who get there based on a golden run , maybe for one or two events that stand out or for a period on one surface.

One E Raducanu stands out as an exemplar.

Var · Pro player

christ wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Nix wrote:
indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Just to say, Jodie will fall out of the top 100 next week, shes 101 live ranked and obviously wont get any points to try and claw that back now.
And just to say again, more actually in response to some of the earlier points above, that Jodie had never been inside even the top 200 until June last year.
So overall, based on her own career up to that point, she has hugely progressed in the last year or so and deserves particular credit for some clear improvements in oncourt attitude.
Yes, she was previously underachieving relative to her ability, partly due to that previous attitude, but certainly not particularly now ( although there are still times ) and as well as her rankings rise she has collected some very good scalps.
Of course, constructive criticism and context should be part of our discussions, and Jodie for one has certainly had that. But also let's not be too quick to downplay players who for the vast majority of the time are trying their best ( however much better they and us would wish them to be doing ) and if some may be arguably a bit overranked, so be it - good luck to them, they didn't determine the ranking or WC systems.
Yes, Indy, you said what I was trying to say, but better. Certainly we can critique people but always remembering they are doing their best and recognising how well they are doing.
Agreed - and dont get me wrong, my comment on Jodies ranking above was not intended as criticism, just as a matter of fact/observation which Indy built on much better than I could have done. But agreed.
And worth noting - being a top 100 player and sustaining that is a heck of an impressive performance. I bet if we look down the top 100, certainly the lower levels of it, there are quite a few players who get there based on a golden run , maybe for one or two events that stand out or for a period on one surface.
One E Raducanu stands out as an exemplar.

Think comments about Emma are premature. She had been struggling with injury and at the end of the day achieved something few British tennis players have achieved in the modern era - grand slam champion. With the very best will in the world if she cant find that form again we are going to be waiting a while for the juniors to reach that level - although we have great prospects.

-- Edited by Var on Wednesday 2nd of August 2023 12:03:01 PM

Peter too · Tennis legend

christ wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Nix wrote:
indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Just to say, Jodie will fall out of the top 100 next week, shes 101 live ranked and obviously wont get any points to try and claw that back now.
And just to say again, more actually in response to some of the earlier points above, that Jodie had never been inside even the top 200 until June last year.
So overall, based on her own career up to that point, she has hugely progressed in the last year or so and deserves particular credit for some clear improvements in oncourt attitude.
Yes, she was previously underachieving relative to her ability, partly due to that previous attitude, but certainly not particularly now ( although there are still times ) and as well as her rankings rise she has collected some very good scalps.
Of course, constructive criticism and context should be part of our discussions, and Jodie for one has certainly had that. But also let's not be too quick to downplay players who for the vast majority of the time are trying their best ( however much better they and us would wish them to be doing ) and if some may be arguably a bit overranked, so be it - good luck to them, they didn't determine the ranking or WC systems.
Yes, Indy, you said what I was trying to say, but better. Certainly we can critique people but always remembering they are doing their best and recognising how well they are doing.
Agreed - and dont get me wrong, my comment on Jodies ranking above was not intended as criticism, just as a matter of fact/observation which Indy built on much better than I could have done. But agreed.
And worth noting - being a top 100 player and sustaining that is a heck of an impressive performance. I bet if we look down the top 100, certainly the lower levels of it, there are quite a few players who get there based on a golden run , maybe for one or two events that stand out or for a period on one surface.
One E Raducanu stands out as an exemplar.

Emma had a magical three months, starting with a QF in the Nottingham W100+H in mid June. She then reached the 4th round at Wimbledon, lost in R1 of San Jose WTA500, reached the QF of the Landisville W100, reached the Final of the Chicago WTA125, before qualifying in and winning the US Open. Injuries and loss of form followed but she still managed to stay in the top 100 long after all the points from the magical 3 months had dropped off.

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

There was a comment made about how many British singles tennis champions we have had. It is not that many. Since the end of the first world war we have had 4 men and 11 women tennis champions. Since the end of the 2nd world war it is 1 man and 7 women. It would be unheard of these days but we had the womens French Champion in 1955, 1957, 1959 and 1961.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, re Emma, while her golden run was so very much more than we were expecting at that time, the main reason Emma was in the top 100 ( and if fit and well I am sure will return there ) is she is easily a top 100 talent.

With some players that manage to make the top 100 for a spell that is arguable. Certainly not with Emma.

Var · Pro player

GAMEOVER wrote:
There was a comment made about how many British singles tennis champions we have had. It is not that many. Since the end of the first world war we have had 4 men and 11 women tennis champions. Since the end of the 2nd world war it is 1 man and 7 women. It would be unheard of these days but we had the womens French Champion in 1955, 1957, 1959 and 1961.

What about Sue Barker French Open Champion?

Peter too · Tennis legend

UK Champions since WW2:-
Mortimer, F55, A58, W61
Bloomer F57
Truman F59
Haydon F61, F66, W69
Wade U68, A72, W77
Barker F76
Raducanu U21

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

John Lloyd and Greg Rusedski both reached slam finals though ! Haha

dodrade · Futures qualifying

JonH comes home wrote:
Nix wrote:
indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Just to say, Jodie will fall out of the top 100 next week, shes 101 live ranked and obviously wont get any points to try and claw that back now.
And just to say again, more actually in response to some of the earlier points above, that Jodie had never been inside even the top 200 until June last year.
So overall, based on her own career up to that point, she has hugely progressed in the last year or so and deserves particular credit for some clear improvements in oncourt attitude.
Yes, she was previously underachieving relative to her ability, partly due to that previous attitude, but certainly not particularly now ( although there are still times ) and as well as her rankings rise she has collected some very good scalps.
Of course, constructive criticism and context should be part of our discussions, and Jodie for one has certainly had that. But also let's not be too quick to downplay players who for the vast majority of the time are trying their best ( however much better they and us would wish them to be doing ) and if some may be arguably a bit overranked, so be it - good luck to them, they didn't determine the ranking or WC systems.
Yes, Indy, you said what I was trying to say, but better. Certainly we can critique people but always remembering they are doing their best and recognising how well they are doing.
Agreed - and dont get me wrong, my comment on Jodies ranking above was not intended as criticism, just as a matter of fact/observation which Indy built on much better than I could have done. But agreed.
And worth noting - being a top 100 player and sustaining that is a heck of an impressive performance. I bet if we look down the top 100, certainly the lower levels of it, there are quite a few players who get there based on a golden run , maybe for one or two events that stand out or for a period on one surface.

Harriet's time in the Top 100 was based primarily on her runs in Indian Wells and Flushing Meadows. Hopefully Katie and Jodie can sustain their form more than she could.

Peter too · Tennis legend

I see that Emma has now moved on from training in the gym to training on court. I has assumed we wouldn't see her in competition before October, and they may still be the case, but it does sound encouraging.