Unfair Play Sharron DAvies

Steve J · Lower Club Player

RE: Unfair Play Sharron DAvies

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

emmsie69 wrote:
Jaggy1876 wrote:
A lot of the problem with the various discussions on the Trans topic for me is that it seems that we get examples and stories, some of which I often think are fictional so that some people may sculpt their arguments and the bigotry they normally hide in public can be justified. Similar I think to the BLM issue whereby people with racist opinions think they have an in to mask their racism by seeing it in a different way. This time its womens rights and standing up for women some would call it. For the avoidance of doubt Im not calling all these people bigoted merely highlighting its a platform for some of these people.

The world is changing and I always think rather than picking a side and sticking to it I think we need to listen and learn to the people it affects. A lot of it baffles me, the non binary one was something I didnt get but now understand. Just because you dont understand something doesnt mean its right or wrong.
You basically just called me a liar. That is where the toxicity comes in. Both my experiences happened and both have other witnesses, 1 went to the management of the gym and it was resolved according to the law, suffice to say that as the 4 other perfectly reasonable options were not acceptable to the TiM, he is now now longer a member of the gym!! I won't say which precise gym but it is part of the Freedom Leisure group.
The 2nd one, plenty of people will have seen the TiM working at the Easyjet baggage drop last year because he was about 6'6" granted they won't have experienced his behaviour in the mess room but there were plenty of staff who did. He 'came out' as Trans on his course and was straight in the ladies bathrooms.
My No.1 concern is for Children being caught up in this ideology and going down a medicalised pathway when decent therapy would help resolve the vast majority (although not all).
I bought this on to this part of the forum purposely to remove it from the actual Tennis debate.
It is interesting that when TiMs use the argument that they aren't safe in the Men's bathrooms and have to use the Women's it's all fine but when Women use the same argument that we don't feel safe with them in there, we are bigots.
As Steve J said No debate is over, if people want to look into this further and at the end still think it's OK then fine, atleast you've done your research and are making a decision based on balanced information now rather than the one side we have had up to this point.
Helen Joyce: Parents Of Trans Children Will Not Be Able To Move On | Video | RealClearPolitics
Scroll down for the entire video but I warn you it is pretty hardcore. Certainly listen to the 1st few minutes which is just about You Tube censoring

ETA Coup Droit is absolutely right.

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Thursday 10th of August 2023 08:19:23 AM

No I clarified my point towards the end, I said there will be people that will use various stories and perceived events to shoehorn their prejudices, Im sure youve seen that as well. In America its rife. The frothing at the mouth is my issue. Rational discussion of all sides of the argument is required not vitriolic reaction and overreaction. Nailing colours to the mast is not the correct way of dealing with a complex matter, which is why Im still undecided on a lot of the issues raised.

emmsie69 · Top national player

I actually find it quite funny that someone who claims they are left wing is busy centering predominately white, western Men over Women.
Am I scared when I go into a toilet and there is 6'5" male in there, no but if I was a Muslim or Jewish Orthodox Woman and actually legitimately part of a marginalised sector of society I'd be excluded from using public toilets.
If I was a young girl just starting my periods and still getting to grips with cleaning myself up I again would likely self exclude or wait until they had left all so some Man can validate himself.

Jaggy1876 · Grand Slam Champion

This never is or never was about public toilets lets face it. I love the claim to be left wing comment as well, those words were never said by me again all conjecture, probably as you are clearly way over on the right. I was actually prepared to give you the benefit of doubt however the frothing at the mouth is so evident here we see you in plain sight now. Very disappointing, maybe one day you will be able to accept people different than yourself. You clearly dont understand or want to understand, using the attack that its about protecting women is an all too convenient smokescreen. Its a bigger topic than toilets lets face it.

Elegant Point · Satellite level

I sometimes feel I am too old for the modern world hmm

Who knew w***ker is considered gender specific?

https://headtopics.com/uk/calling-a-trans-woman-a-wanker-is-discrimination-employment-tribunal-rules-42815218

https://assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/media/64e331eebc2b52000da003bf/Miss_A_Fischer_v_London_United_Busways_Limited_2300846-2021_Judgment_28-07-2023.pdf

-- Edited by Elegant Point on Friday 25th of August 2023 08:42:49 PM

emmsie69 · Top national player

I thought I'd resurrect this thread with a video from Women's Declaration International made to talk about the Supreme Court Case held last week

youtu.be/nI5OT2Wgiiw

This video doesn't mention it but Primogeniture was also discussed during the 2 days because to the surprise of absolutely no one a Man with a GRC is considered a Woman for all purposes other than 3 specified situations, one being Primogeniture.

privatewealth.howardkennedy.com/post/102hr8e/primogeniture-and-inheritance-the-transgender-angle
Most marginalised my arse.

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-- Edited by emmsie69 on Friday 6th of December 2024 10:08:36 AM

Jajon · Club Coach

I actually agree with Sharron Davies about trans people in sport. But her descent into 15 minute cities are coming for us!!! The government are trapping us!!! (And supporting the far right in some European country (Austria maybe??)) Once again illustrates the WILD radicalisation of twitter I fear

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
I thought I'd resurrect this thread with a video from Women's Declaration International made to talk about the Supreme Court Case held last week

youtu.be/nI5OT2Wgiiw

This video doesn't mention it but Primogeniture was also discussed during the 2 days because to the surprise of absolutely no one a Man with a GRC is considered a Woman for all purposes other than 3 specified situations, one being Primogeniture.

privatewealth.howardkennedy.com/post/102hr8e/primogeniture-and-inheritance-the-transgender-angle
Most marginalised my arse.

This made my day, Emmsie - although not necessarily in a good way

I just couldn't get over the fact the court would recognise Edgar as a man (despite having been born a girl) for primogeniture back in 1968. So he can become Duke or whatever. BECAUSE otherwise it would all be a bit of a mess for the dear man, coz he's now an upstanding GP, and married, and we can't have that

BUT we're going to keep the case a complete secret (open justice, anyone?) because we're sh*t-scared that all those pesky older sisters (who basically have been brought up to believe they're just there to be wedded off) will now transition purposefully to deprive their spoilt-rotten little brothers of the title

You couldn't make it up.....

emmsie69 · Top national player

I thought you'd (un)appreciate it CD. Gotta keep the poor little Mens happy. I don't know if you watched the video, it's mainly about how self ID affects Lesbians (badly) I think they missed a trick not mentioning primogeniture because it really does highlight the Patriarchy in all its glory.