Week 27/28 - Wimbledon Ladies, Great Britain Grass

foobarbaz · Strong Club Player

RE: Week 27/28 - Wimbledon Ladies, Great Britain Grass

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Priesty wrote:
It baffles me as to why interviewers are still standing so far away from the players they're interviewing. Social distancing stopped being a requirement a long time ago.

I know....its been baffling me too

foobarbaz · Strong Club Player

Kenin showed everyone how to combat a powerful opponent, in beating Gauff. Never just hit it back to the same spot, instead make your opponent move from the get-go, and keep them on the run, every shot. Don't let them plant their feet, and use that power. Put them under pressure to make shots on the move, and watch their game crumble instead of yours.

-- Edited by foobarbaz on Saturday 8th of July 2023 10:12:06 PM

Peter too · Tennis legend

R3: BOULTER, Katie (GBR) WC 89 lost to RYBAKINA, Elena (KAZ) (3) 3 1-6 1-6

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

foobarbaz wrote:
Kenin showed everyone how to combat a powerful opponent, in beating Gauff. Never just hit it back to the same spot, instead make your opponent move from the get-go, and keep them on the run, every shot. Don't let them plant their feet, and use that power. Put them under pressure to make shots on the move, and watch their game crumble instead of yours.

-- Edited by foobarbaz on Saturday 8th of July 2023 10:12:06 PM

Kenin is a Grand Slam winner.

No one managed last year to put that plan into action against Rybakina. And everyone tried, even the very best. So I guess it's no disgrace that Katie didn't either.

kundalini · Specialist Reporter + Intermediate Club Player

If you look at Katie's results against elite players with big serves and heavy groundstrokes, she has typically lost in 3 sets, though did beat Karolina Pliskova twice on grass in 2022. Assuming Rybakina is performing at a higher level, you might reasonably expect a 3-6 4-6 or 2-6 3-6 scoreline, rather than 1-6 1-6. From memory, I thought Katie looked a decent player in many of the matches listed below. The Rybakina match falls in the same category as the Samsonova match at the US Open, in that Katie was out-classed.

Osaka (hard) 6-3 3-6 1-6

Sabalenka (Wimbledon) 6-4 3-6 3-6

Karolina Pliskova (Eastbourne) 1-6 6-4 6-4

Petra Kvitova (Eastbourne) 7-5 0-6 5-7

Karolina Pliskova (Wimbledon) 3-6 7-6 6-4

Karolina Pliskova (hard) 6-1 6-7 3-6

Samsonova (hard) US Open 3-6 2-6

Bencic (doesn't have the big serve) 4-6 7-6 3-6

Nix · Futures level

RE: Week 27/28 - Wimbledon Ladies, Great Britain Grass of

Brendan F · Lower Club Player

RE: Week 27/28 - Wimbledon Ladies, Great Britain Grass

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Brendan F wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Priesty wrote:
It baffles me as to why interviewers are still standing so far away from the players they're interviewing. Social distancing stopped being a requirement a long time ago.
I know....its been baffling me too
It would be more baffling when they both have microphones why they would be required to stand right next to each other

I guess personal space is one thing weve learnt from this past few years - game shows like Would I Lie to You or Question of Sport separated the panels and have maintained the seating gaps with separate booths , whereas before Covid theyd be at the same table.

I think it makes sense personally, particularly with different countries having different perspectives. In Jamaica recently, we still wore masks in the airport and distanced in security, this was in March.

Lambda · Challenger level

It baffles me why folks care how far apart interviewer and player are.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

The last 16 of the womens singles has a very strong lineup with many high seeds left, a lot more of the seeds intact than other recent slams over the past few years - bodes for an interesting second week. Swiatek seems to have got to that stage with fewest games lost in three matches and would appear the favourite but anyone can win this still.

Grachka · County player

It's worth noting that of the seven matches yesterday in the women's singles, only one went to three sets (Jabeur-Andreescu) and five were over in five or fewer games.

Katie may have been outplayed but she was far from the only one.

KK · Club Coach

Nix wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
foobarbaz wrote:
Kenin showed everyone how to combat a powerful opponent, in beating Gauff. Never just hit it back to the same spot, instead make your opponent move from the get-go, and keep them on the run, every shot. Don't let them plant their feet, and use that power. Put them under pressure to make shots on the move, and watch their game crumble instead of yours.

-- Edited by foobarbaz on Saturday 8th of July 2023 10:12:06 PM
Kenin is a Grand Slam winner.
No one managed last year to put that plan into action against Rybakina. And everyone tried, even the very best. So I guess it's no disgrace that Katie didn't either.
I agree with this. Kenin has been largely playing top 50/top 100 players this year. Katie has been playing largely top 200-500. There's a massive gulf in class of opponent. I thought there were a few occasions where Katie would have won the point at a lower level match, simply by setting up a good point and putting her final shot into court when Rybakina was slightly out of position. At this level. those balls come back to you, so you have to acclimatise to that. I think if she had had the chance to regularly play top 50/100 players she would have been much more competitive.

She didn't look like she mentally folded to me. Her serve didn't collapse. She wasn't duffing it in the net. Rybakina just played at a different level.

Yes. Everyone said the same thing when she lost to Martic at Eastbourne. i was there and although she won more games, the match wasnt nearly as close as the score suggested. It never felt as if she has a chance of winning.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Brendan F wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Priesty wrote:
It baffles me as to why interviewers are still standing so far away from the players they're interviewing. Social distancing stopped being a requirement a long time ago.
I know....its been baffling me too
It would be more baffling when they both have microphones why they would be required to stand right next to each other

It just looks weird for the TV shot, that's all, especially when all the other interviewers are all cosying up to each other. But I've no major problem with it They can stand wherever they want.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

People are saying (quite rightly) Katie has been playing lower level players, and it really shows.

And I guess matches are different from practice.

But nearly all women have male hitting partners. Exactly for this purpose. So they're used to a heavy, harder ball.

So it does suprise me a little when Katie (and others) are clearly caught out by the hard return of serve right at them, for instance. Katie (unlike Kenin, say) does not have a compact game, where she uses her legs well for stability. She's all big arm swing, and high centre of gravity. Again, unlike Kenin. Which is a problem if the opponent is getting the first strike and you're on the back foot. But with a male hitting partner that is very easy to replicate in practice. But, again, if it were that easy, I guess everyone would have 'learnt' how to