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RE: Entry Week 18 - 01/05/2023


JonH comes home wrote:
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JonH comes home wrote:

Dan is spot on with his comments here

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-12029435/Cam-Norrie-beats-Japans-Yasuke-Watanuki-6-4-7-6-Great-Britains-hopes-Madrid-Open-alive.html

Not only him but Cam, Andy , Jan now, Liam as well are all progressing because they are playing match tennis.


 Spot on? Really? Cam and Andy are not really progressing. Liam neither. Match play or no.

And Aidan McHugh is playing match tennis. And Jay Clarke. And others.... And they're hardly progressing. In fact, quite the opposite 

 


 Cam not progressing - hes top 10 in the race this season, holding his own as a top player , yeah , hes had a few tough weeks But that is crazy to say he isnt professing .

Andy is at the end of his career but dont ignore how he built his career. All hard work and regular competition.

 Liam was progressing massive this season til a wrist problem around 4 weeks back but was heading towards the top 100. 



-- Edited by JonH comes home on Monday 1st of May 2023 04:16:28 PM


 That's the point - maybe the wrist problem was from too much playing.

And prorgressing is a push when he has been 100-150 for the past however long. 

Which is not a criticism of Liam. I love the guy. 

And, yes, Andy is near the end of his career and doing fine considering. 

But you can't use him as an example of someone progressing because of match play.

Cam is holding his own very well. He's doing fine. But 'progressing' might be a push - depends how you define it. Again, it was no criticism of him.

And, as said, what about Aidan? Or Jay? Or a lot of the others?

Like Doonan, I don't think that, as a default position, our players should be playing more often, no.

As Indy says, it will very much depend on the player and their profile. 

And remember, Dan Evans was classified at the NTC as having the fastest recovery of his micro muscle tears of any player. That's natural and God-given and great for him. But it doesn't apply to everyone else. 



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Maybe youre all right, not sure. My instinct is our players under play and need that consistency of match play. But I dont know. I got cross at the suggestion some of these players had stalled though - they certainly have down into the 300s and below. But the top 200 and above.

Sorry for lashing out though in my deleted messages ?

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Coup Droit wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

Dan is spot on with his comments here

www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/tennis/article-12029435/Cam-Norrie-beats-Japans-Yasuke-Watanuki-6-4-7-6-Great-Britains-hopes-Madrid-Open-alive.html

Not only him but Cam, Andy , Jan now, Liam as well are all progressing because they are playing match tennis.


 Spot on? Really? Cam and Andy are not really progressing. Liam neither. Match play or no.

And Aidan McHugh is playing match tennis. And Jay Clarke. And others.... And they're hardly progressing. In fact, quite the opposite 

 


 Cam not progressing - hes top 10 in the race this season, holding his own as a top player , yeah , hes had a few tough weeks But that is crazy to say he isnt professing .

Andy is at the end of his career but dont ignore how he built his career. All hard work and regular competition.

 Liam was progressing massive this season til a wrist problem around 4 weeks back but was heading towards the top 100. 



-- Edited by JonH comes home on Monday 1st of May 2023 04:16:28 PM


 That's the point - maybe the wrist problem was from too much playing.

And prorgressing is a push when he has been 100-150 for the past however long. 

Which is not a criticism of Liam. I love the guy. 

And, yes, Andy is near the end of his career and doing fine considering. 

But you can't use him as an example of someone progressing because of match play.

Cam is holding his own very well. He's doing fine. But 'progressing' might be a push - depends how you define it. Again, it was no criticism of him.

And, as said, what about Aidan? Or Jay? Or a lot of the others?

Like Doonan, I don't think that, as a default position, our players should be playing more often, no.

As Indy says, it will very much depend on the player and their profile. 

And remember, Dan Evans was classified at the NTC as having the fastest recovery of his micro muscle tears of any player. That's natural and God-given and great for him. But it doesn't apply to everyone else. 


 Surely different players require different paths?  One size doesn't fit all.



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Yes, exactly

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Fair dos agreed - one size doesnt fit all.

How about some players should play more ? That seems reasonable !

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Agreed! I think that might refer more to the women than the men at the moment

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JonH comes home wrote:

Fair dos agreed - one size doesnt fit all.

How about some players should play more ? That seems reasonable !


Indeed 

Basically much more nuanced than came across from Dan and yourself initially. 



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So Sonay did not make it directly into Roland Garros qualifying. However she is the second alt so

should get in after wcs are allocated etc. Fran is one of eight with a PR.

We will be unable to watch as players withdraw as the WTA are not allowing us transparency.

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DF wrote:

So Sonay did not make it directly into Roland Garros qualifying. However she is the second alt so

should get in after wcs are allocated etc. Fran is one of eight with a PR.

We will be unable to watch as players withdraw as the WTA are not allowing us transparency.


 It makes the lead up to the tournament far less interesting to me.



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JonH comes home wrote:

Maybe youre all right, not sure. My instinct is our players under play and need that consistency of match play. But I dont know. I got cross at the suggestion some of these players had stalled though - they certainly have down into the 300s and below. But the top 200 and above.

Sorry for lashing out though in my deleted messages ?


 I think the women would love to play more but many of them are chronically injured and have to manage their schedules. For example, Katie Swan, Katie Boulter, Jodie Burrage, Emma Raducanu have all had extensive injury problems and have to limit their play. I agree though that more match play would enable them to go up the rankings but that has to balanced against causing long term injuries. I don't know why we have so many players with difficulties, it could just be bad luck. 



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