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JonH comes home wrote:
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I believe that the only restrictions are that top ten players aren't allowed to play ITF tournaments. There ought to be some sort of graded restrictions going down the levels though, even if they only excluded top 50 or top 100 players it would be beneficial to the lower ranked players.

 We had a discussion on a mens event recently around Jan C reaching a ranking point where he could no longer play ITF events and for men, 200 seems to be that cut off. dont know if that is the atp or itf that impose that Ranking barrier . 

 It is in the ITF rulebook. 200 for the men but only top 10 for the women. But the men's tournaments are only M25 and M15, whilst the wonen's go up to W100. Still a big disparity though.

 i guess the women dont have the CHallenger tour equivalent, except a few 125 events - do the WTA 125 events have any sort of cut off? Clearly the ITF womens events need some sort of gradation as was said above.  

 Yes, this makes sense. So the women wouldn't be able to enter W25s or W15s if they're in the top 200 but would be able to enter the higher ranked tournaments, such as the W125s. It's not just the ranking points but they're hoovering up the prize money which would be a lot more important to someone who's ranked, say WR300, than WR105 and is therefore going to get at least four big pay days a year from the GSs. 



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There are just 14 WTA 125 events on the calendar for 2023.

But if you take into account the higher ITF events which are more equivalent to the men's challengers there are plenty more - 13 W100, 3 W80, 50 W60

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JonH comes home wrote:
do the WTA 125 events have any sort of cut off?


Top 10 are not allowed to play WTA125. Top 11-50 are not allowed direct entry to a WTA125 but can play as a WC.

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It just give Ms Kartal the opportunity to flex her muscles against some slightly better opposition is all.

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Sonay took the opener 7-5

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And she wins! 6-1 in the third. Great win for Sonay.

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QF: KARTAL, Sonay (GBR) (7) 246 (CH=195 2023) def RUS, Arantxa (NED) (1) 108 7-5 1-6 6-1

SF: KARTAL, Sonay (GBR) (7) 246 (CH=195 2023) v BULGARU, Miriam Bianca (ROU) (8) 247 (CH=243 2023)

That's three QFs played today and three QFs won, one more to go.



-- Edited by Peter too on Friday 7th of April 2023 08:17:41 PM

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Several players just outside the top 100 have used W25s to get over the line, Mel South was one. She just managed to get to 99 but never any higher.

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It doesn't help that the W25s have long been analamous re their prize money vs points. And this has been shown up even more by how they have recently squeezed in the points for the new W40s between the W25s and W60s when there was an opportunity for more of a shake-up.

I imagine over time the W40s and W60s will generally be much stronger fields but the W25s are an attraction to relatively stronger players who are much more interested in the points, and maintaining a ranking, than the prize money and don't really belong there.

So the WTA have fault in their points allocation. It is something that has long annoyed me ( maybe more than it should but it is so obviously pretty silly and easily fixable of someone would put a bomb up their backsides ). They should long ago have phased in lower points for W25s, which would probably make them more of the relative level of M25s and a better next step after W15s with less chance of coming across say a vulturing Arantxa Rus. 



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So glad Sonay won today, stop Arantxa winning everything.



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Thats the most promising result Sonay has had for a while. She started 2022 so well, but did she get injured? Or did she just struggle with playing higher level players?

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indiana wrote:

It doesn't help that the W25s have long been analamous re their prize money vs points. And this has been shown up even more by how they have recently squeezed in the points for the new W40s between the W25s and W60s when there was an opportunity for more of a shake-up.

I imagine over time the W40s and W60s will generally be much stronger fields but the W25s are an attraction to relatively stronger players who are much more interested in the points, and maintaining a ranking, than the prize money and don't really belong there.

So the WTA have fault in their points allocation. It is something that has long annoyed me ( maybe more than it should but it is so obviously pretty silly and easily fixable of someone would put a bomb up their backsides ). They should long ago have phased in lower points for W25s, which would probably make them more of the relative level of M25s and a better next step after W15s with less chance of coming across say a vulturing Arantxa Rus. 

 It's not the prize money here though it's the potential to make main draw at the FO.  Rus has form for this, I believe she won either 7 or 8 W25k one year, it's points doping and it's immoral.



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emmsie69 wrote:
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It doesn't help that the W25s have long been analamous re their prize money vs points. And this has been shown up even more by how they have recently squeezed in the points for the new W40s between the W25s and W60s when there was an opportunity for more of a shake-up.

I imagine over time the W40s and W60s will generally be much stronger fields but the W25s are an attraction to relatively stronger players who are much more interested in the points, and maintaining a ranking, than the prize money and don't really belong there.

So the WTA have fault in their points allocation. It is something that has long annoyed me ( maybe more than it should but it is so obviously pretty silly and easily fixable of someone would put a bomb up their backsides ). They should long ago have phased in lower points for W25s, which would probably make them more of the relative level of M25s and a better next step after W15s with less chance of coming across say a vulturing Arantxa Rus. 

 It's not the prize money here though it's the potential to make main draw at the FO.  Rus has form for this, I believe she won either 7 or 8 W25k one year, it's points doping and it's immoral.

 Precisely. And not helped by the W25 generous points allocation.



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wales1994 wrote:

Thats the most promising result Sonay has had for a while. She started 2022 so well, but did she get injured? Or did she just struggle with playing higher level players?

 Stepped up a level, although she didn't play too regularly with minimal success.

25k is the right tournament choice for now.



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And Rus has done it through her career as well. Not just this season.

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