flamingowings wrote:

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Peter too wrote:

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Which would look better on a CV when a player retires and moves to another role, such as coaching, commentating, administrating etc., to have once played in a WTA QF, SF or to have been ranked in the top 100 in the world? I suspect the latter.

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 Otherwise you get the "famous" Castle caption of "made the 3rd round at Queen's Club in 1986'

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 Ha - although we forget he reached 80 in the world and was a decent player. And he played a tour final in Korea, 250 level in modern money, and was Australian Open mixed runner up as well. Most would be happy with that career for the current crop!

Ace Ventura wrote:

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She has made the last 32 of arguably the most prestigious grand slam, and of course recently made the last 16 of arguably the most prestigious W1000, both points hauls of 130 and 120 greater than the 110 you would get for a WTA 250 SF (110), but her lack of WTA SF, and especially QF is a bit surprising. I know when you're 19 it's a bit different as the ceiling could be a lot higher, but her R1 opponent Avanesyan has made the QF in her first ever full WTA event.

I guess one disadvantage for Harriet is that there are a lot of W250s on clay, some at very opportune times with weak draws, especially after Wimbledon - e.g. Zidansek won a W250 last July with a run of opponents with rankings of 182, 242, 241, 193, 125, and I guess a lot of players those with QFs or SFs will have come on clay events when a lot of higher ranked players are on downtime.

You just need look at some of the QFist in those events last year:

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2021_WTA_Tour

Min, Sanders, Bronzetti (now in top 100), Galfi, Udvardy (again, both now in top 100, but would have been far lower during those runs), Ormaechea. Minnen, Korpatsch, Bonaventure etc.

Maybe some of our players can target those type of events this year, despite the surface, although most of our players will have packed grass seasons with the WCs (in much more stacked fields) that they would probably be more inclined to rest up and then concentrate on the US season.

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 Udvardy may be ranked in the top 100(currently 84) but on WTA  matches on hard courts this year she has  a record of won 0 and lost 7. That includes 3 matches in qualifying. She's top 100 because of clay court wins on the IFT circuit. 

JonH comes home wrote:

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emmsie69 wrote:

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Harriet targets the highest tournaments so frequently she's scrapping into wta tournaments after withdrawals. This wasn't the case here but clay is definitely not her surface and she played someone who barely plays anything else. I do urge people to read the comments on here about Harriet and compare them with the comments about Dan who is in top 30 to see my point. It happens on here quite a bit, Men get a pass, women get hammered (Jodie excepted as she deserves it right now)

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Friday 8th of April 2022 03:41:20 PM

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 Isnt that in large part due to the fact the womens side of the board has a lot more talkative supporters, many more, and who are quite vocal and analytical of the women?

Whereas the mens side tends to be a lot more "well done, Dan" "tough luck, Cam" type...of which I readily fall into. So the men do get an easier ride. But probably also less praise

Look at the PoM stats - many more women winners than mens, not because our women are that much better but because the supporters are just that little bit more prevalent around here; the predictions game is a case in point - the womens matches are getting circa 2-3 votes more (in circa 14 or 15 placed per match) than the mens and it has always been that way; you'd anticipate in a game that everyone would just vote in all the matches, but there are always a few folks that just vote on the womens and ignore the mens. 

So I think Dan getting an easy ride (I think my comment was oh heck or some such) is just indicative of the lack of emotion some of us show for the mens game, even the biggest supporters (count me in!)   

 

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 I do think it is questionable that apparently so many more women PoM winners than men is definitively down to women's tennis supporters being more prevalent here than men's ( even though yes they are more prevalent )

But that's a bit of an aside which I'm going to consider more and probably post about in a PoM thread.

Both in top 100 

I just looked up what the altitude of Bogota is. It's 8,660 feet or 2,640 metres  above sea level which is way above anything we are used to. England's highest peak is only just over 3,000 feet . Conditions in Bogota (and not just the clay court) we can never experience here.