Greatest Players of All Time - according to Tennis Abstract

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Greatest Players of All Time - according to Tennis Abstract

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

No. 58 is Pancho Segura, Not on my list but in Jon's top 50

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GAMEOVER wrote:
No. 58 is Pancho Segura, Not on my list but in Jon's top 50

Indeed, Id placed Segura as 27. I suspect I over rated him but certainly top 50.

https://www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2022/08/25/the-tennis-128-no-58-pancho-segura/

I actually remember him most as being Jimmy Connors coach/mentor, and the write up is an impressive feat by Jeff, I need to read it properly when I have half an hour !

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I rated Segura so highly largely due to his winning 3 consecutive US Pro Slam titles - the professionals only top events - in 1950-52

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pancho_Segura

I realise I made a fatal error in leaving Jack Kramer off my top 50 list and cant go back and do it now, but the write up from Jeff suggests both Kramer and GOnzalez will be in the top list. Pancho G is on mine, top 20, but Kramer I somehow omitted.

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

Another possible player is Jan Kodes who won both the French and Wimbledon and was a US Open finalist.

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GAMEOVER wrote:
Another possible player is Jan Kodes who won both the French and Wimbledon and was a US Open finalist.

Nah, dont see that. His Wimbledon title was the biggest asterisk of all time and he wont have the ELO rating.

great player though and played excellent doubles as a pair with Tomas Smid, I recall, and Fibak as well.

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

There's a couple of other names who might feature. One is Neale Fraser who won Wimbledon in 1960 and also the US singles a couple of times. The other is Jana Novotna . If Andrea Jaegar gets in one would imagine Novotna should. Novotna is more famous for a match she lost(the 1993 Wimbledon final ) rather than when she won it.

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

JonH comes home wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Another possible player is Jan Kodes who won both the French and Wimbledon and was a US Open finalist.
Nah, dont see that. His Wimbledon title was the biggest asterisk of all time and he wont have the ELO rating.

great player though and played excellent doubles as a pair with Tomas Smid, I recall, and Fibak as well.

Re Kodes he did reach the final of the US Open in 1973 (losing to Newcombe )which didn't make winning Wimbledon look too bad. He also lost the 1971 US Open final to Stan Smith so he could match the best on grass. Double French champion as well in 1970 and 1971. Could play on both clay and grass.

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No 57 in the list is Louise Brough

www.tennisabstract.com/blog/2022/08/26/the-tennis-128-no-57-louise-brough/

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Brough was 30th in my own list, the 7th of the 50 I listed to have appeared so far.

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Only Swiatek and Azarenka of current players have a higher Peak ELO than Brough, putting aside the Williams sisters of course.

Of current players, Im going to guess just Serena, Venus and Azarenka, maybe, just, will be top 50. We know from Jeffs
Comments in this thread that Swiatek wont appear.

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

Louise Brough was on my list. One of the great Americans of the 1940's and 50's.

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GAMEOVER wrote:
Louise Brough was on my list. One of the great Americans of the 1940's and 50's.

Did you rank 100 Gameover or 128? How many have appeared so far from your list in total?

my top 50 list looks like being a roughly 2/3rds to 75 percent match with Jeffs so maybe a dozen or so players that will be surprises to me, in the top 50, if not everyone else !

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

JonH comes home wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Louise Brough was on my list. One of the great Americans of the 1940's and 50's.
Did you rank 100 Gameover or 128? How many have appeared so far from your list in total?

my top 50 list looks like being a roughly 2/3rds to 75 percent match with Jeffs so maybe a dozen or so players that will be surprises to me, in the top 50, if not everyone else !

I did a ranking list when there were 100 players comprising 50/50 men and women. So far 13 men and 15 women of my players have appeared on Jeff's top 100 list. We've 44 names in the top 100. So somehow or other I have 37 men and 35 women for 56 places. I think some of the men and women were long shots (mostly modern players) who now are not in the top 128. I know who I would rate as the 2 greatest woman players who I will be interested to see where they finish. I don't think they will be the tops.

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Ill drop a list of my top 25 men and 25 women in due course - like you I split my list of 50(100 for you) in half - as I had no idea really how to differentiate a man v a woman. Eventually I decided to make the men 1,3,5 etc and the women 2,4, 6 because I felt the men would edge the longevity stakes historically due to marriage, babies, travel which may have curtailed some womens careers. Not because
Men have achieved more or are better, just because one third of Jeffs score is linked to longevity .

Which may sound completely sexist but was trying to be realistic as the algorithm wouldnt correct that I didnt think. It may also be inaccurate!