Week 6 - ITF W25 - Birmingham, UK Hard

the addict · Tennis legend

Week 6 - ITF W25 - Birmingham, UK Hard

paulisi · Tennis legend

Sonay is playing doubles, so has a wildcard. I don't see any others in doubles likely to get a singles wildcard.

the addict · Tennis legend

We'll soon find out, as Sam cruises through 3 & 1 to complete the qualifying matches.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Wildcards to:

Talia, Isabelle Lacy, Sonay and Marni

the addict · Tennis legend

Ooh. Sam against Tara, Freya against Emina.

paulisi · Tennis legend

Horrible draw for GB girls in general

indiana · Tennis legend

Sonay draws the top seed Lesley Kerkove WR 141 with the winner playing Sam or Tara.

Peter too · Tennis legend

Q2: MURRAY SHARAN, Samantha (GBR) (1) WC 280 def AMBROSIO, Silvia (GER) 790 6-3 6-1
Q2: CONWAY, Jasmine (GBR) 1031 lost to MALYGINA, Elena (EST) (2) 483 5-7 3-6
Q2: MALONEY, Eliz (GBR) (9) 678 def GARLAND, Joanna (TPE) (3) 489 6-3 5-7 [12-10]
Q2: CHRISTIE, Freya (GBR) (5) 598 def BROGAN, Anna (GBR) (16) 920 6-7(2) 6-1 [10-7]
Q2: JOHN-BAPTISTE, Lauryn (GBR) UNR def VASILESCU, Arina Gabriela (ROU) (7) 609 4-6 7-5 [10-5]
Q2: OLUWADARE, Hephzibah (GBR) WC lost to SUGNAUX, Tess (SUI) (8) 655 0-6 4-6

R1: KARTAL, Sonay (GBR) WC 820 =CH v PATTINAMA KERKHOVE, Lesley (NED) (1) 141 =CH
R1: MURRAY SHARAN, Samantha (GBR) Q 282 (CH=165 2013) v MOORE, Tara (GBR) 402 (CH=145 2017)
They met in 2010 and 2013 with one win each

R1: LACY, Isabelle (GBR) WC UNR =CH {15yo JCH=199} v HARRISON, Catherine (USA) (7) 261 (CH=247 2022)
R1: CHRISTIE, Freya (GBR) Q 597 (CH=286 2016) v BEKTAS, Emina (USA) (3) 200 =CH
R1: MALONEY, Eliz (GBR) Q 651 =CH v PIGATO, Lisa (ITA) 433 (CH=428 2022) {18yo JCH=37}
R1: JOHN-BAPTISTE, Lauryn (GBR) Q UNR (CH=1067 2017) v DE ROOME, Indy (NED) (5) 220 (CH=177 2014)
R1: BANKS, Amarni (GBR) WC UNR =CH v KEMPEN, Magali (BEL) 461 (CH=400 2019)
R1: BURRAGE, Jodie Anna (GBR) (4) 208 =CH v SUGNAUX, Tess (SUI) Q 657 (CH=413 2017)
R1: NEILSON GATENBY, Talia WC UNR =CH {16yo JCH=183} v ZAJA, Anna (GER) 323 (CH=184 2019)

-- Edited by Peter too on Monday 7th of February 2022 05:59:51 PM

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

I couldn't really follow some of the later results, but great to see 4 through to the main draw. A very good qualifying return.

Someone over on TF was mentioning the other day how they thought that the LTA think highly of Lacy, and that she could be in MDWC contention, but I was quite surprised. Hopefully Emma W didn't want to play in end and wasn't overlooked, even for a QWC. I don't fully understand the system, but it's pretty baffling how some of the player involved directly in Q1 found themselves higher up the Acceptance List pecking order than Emma. There'll likely be a reason and probably to do with those weird ITF points, but it's a bit of a shame, as it's obviously not mainly to do with actual ability.

Spireman · Club Coach

Ace Ventura wrote:
I couldn't really follow some of the later results, but great to see 4 through to the main draw. A very good qualifying return.

Someone over on TF was mentioning the other day how they thought that the LTA think highly of Lacy, and that she could be in MDWC contention, but I was quite surprised. Hopefully Emma W didn't want to play in end and wasn't overlooked, even for a QWC. I don't fully understand the system, but it's pretty baffling how some of the player involved directly in Q1 found themselves higher up the Acceptance List pecking order than Emma. There'll likely be a reason and probably to do with those weird ITF points, but it's a bit of a shame, as it's obviously not mainly to do with actual ability.

Yes, you are right. Those in qualifying for example in Bath, who got one q win get an itf ranking. That gets in above anyone without any itf points. So if they think someone is much better than those with itf points then they need to give them a wc.

I'm also surprised with some wc...now we have what is a much stronger 25k than bath it feels like mdwc should at least have played a few 15k and got the odd counter, ideally a ranking of some sort. No problem then with the two older mdwc.

Spireman · Club Coach

Another thing....can players go into qualifying instead of accepting a mdwc? It seems odd that Jasmine for example was in qualifying while some others seem to have been bumped up above her to have mdwc, when maybe they could have been in qualies. It may be, as someone put earlier, tactical wc to help those needing one more counter from qualies, such as Lauryn, for example (which worked).

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

Thanks Spireman. I'm perhaps a little biased as Emma is one of very few players from this part of the world, and while I wouldn't expect her to surge to the QF or anything like that, she certainly wouldn't have had odds of 1/200 vs 16/1 in Q1 like we saw yesterday. She did also have a great win in Bath R1, and come through quals in Loughborough, and always holds her own at UKPL (21-15 record last year), so a bit surprising she didn't at least get a QWC, if she still wanted to play, especially the way those were allocated.

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

In terms of the draw, it's not great, but I don't think it's too bad overall. Obviously 4 have been drawn against seeds, which isn't ideal, and all bar Jodie will probably be underdogs (excl the all GB match, which I don't mind), so if we got 3 through to R3 then we would have done well.

There could be some opportunities - Kempen and Pigato just sneaked in due to no Special Exempts, so a couple of 400 odds isn't too bad for this W25 level. Zaja seemingly hasn't played since October, and (when she did) is on the back of a 7 match losing streak stretching into July, so that on paper isn't bad for W25 R1 draw, but probably just a shame it's not one of our more stronger main draw entrants who has drawn her, as Talia will probably still find it tough.

I'll be interested to see the odds when they come out. I just wish we could swap some of the Brits around in terms of which overseas opponent they played, e.g. swap Sonay for Talia etc.

Tennisdad_101 · Lower Club Player

Ace Ventura wrote:
Thanks Spireman. I'm perhaps a little biased as Emma is one of very few players from this part of the world, and while I wouldn't expect her to surge to the QF or anything like that, she certainly wouldn't have had odds of 1/200 vs 16/1 in Q1 like we saw yesterday. She did also have a great win in Bath R1, and come through quals in Loughborough, and always holds her own at UKPL (21-15 record last year), so a bit surprising she didn't at least get a QWC, if she still wanted to play, especially the way those were allocated.

Perhaps a little biased yes, but its ok to have favourites. I think however at 24 years old you shouldnt be relying too heavily on WC into 25k events. They should be for those whove been out injured or for those younger players who show promise or potential for the future.

-- Edited by Tennisdad_101 on Monday 7th of February 2022 08:17:09 PM

-- Edited by Tennisdad_101 on Monday 7th of February 2022 08:20:16 PM

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Tennisdad_101 wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
Thanks Spireman. I'm perhaps a little biased as Emma is one of very few players from this part of the world, and while I wouldn't expect her to surge to the QF or anything like that, she certainly wouldn't have had odds of 1/200 vs 16/1 in Q1 like we saw yesterday. She did also have a great win in Bath R1, and come through quals in Loughborough, and always holds her own at UKPL (21-15 record last year), so a bit surprising she didn't at least get a QWC, if she still wanted to play, especially the way those were allocated.
Perhaps a little biased yes, but its ok to have favourites. I think however at 24 years old you shouldnt be relying too heavily on WC into 25k events. They should be for those whove been out injured or for those younger players who show promise or potential for the future.

I'm not sure. Our system has traditionally favoured the youngsters too much - other countries believe in providing a balanced support structure, which shows youngsters that they are not abandoned at age 22 or so, and rewards different progress. As opposed to always shifting the focus onto the next great hopes, which has not really worked (Emma R aside). If Emma W was not even given a QWC, having asked for one, then that's a disgrace. The full MD wildcard is a little more debatable as she's already had one, no?