Coup Droit wrote:

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It's a great achievement for Ella to be top-10, and I'm a big fan

But there's a BIG caveat.

Namely if you look at the number of tournaments played, the top-10 list goes like this:

1 - 16
2 - 20
3 - 17
4 - 20
5 - 26
6 - 18
7 - 25
8 - 7
9 - 34
10 - 8


So, Ella has played 34 events - the rest of the girls have barely played over 20

(Now, there are some girls lower down the ranks who've played even more than Ella, hers is not off the scale, but it is a LOT more than the others in the top 10, and does obviously rather water down the strength of her ranking) 

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I had a quick look at Ella's record to see whether she'd been playing lower level tournament, hence the number of tournaments overall. But it seems like she's only played 17 singles tournaments this year. I wonder if the total number of tournaments includes the number of doubles tournaments as well, of which she's also played 17. Perhaps other players don't play so many doubles tournaments? Or it could be that I've got the figures wrong, or misunderstood something, which I'm definitely prone to do.  

Nix wrote:

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Coup Droit wrote:

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It's a great achievement for Ella to be top-10, and I'm a big fan

But there's a BIG caveat.

Namely if you look at the number of tournaments played, the top-10 list goes like this:

1 - 16
2 - 20
3 - 17
4 - 20
5 - 26
6 - 18
7 - 25
8 - 7
9 - 34
10 - 8


So, Ella has played 34 events - the rest of the girls have barely played over 20

(Now, there are some girls lower down the ranks who've played even more than Ella, hers is not off the scale, but it is a LOT more than the others in the top 10, and does obviously rather water down the strength of her ranking) 

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I had a quick look at Ella's record to see whether she'd been playing lower level tournament, hence the number of tournaments overall. But it seems like she's only played 17 singles tournaments this year. I wonder if the total number of tournaments includes the number of doubles tournaments as well, of which she's also played 17. Perhaps other players don't play so many doubles tournaments? Or it could be that I've got the figures wrong, or misunderstood something, which I'm definitely prone to do.  

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 Interesting, never realised that, well done - from what I can see you're A1 right - they count singles and doubles as two different events

So Ella has played 17 events but played singles and doubles for both, hence, 34 events

However, this applies to all the others too, of course.

So, for example, Liv Holde is down as having played 17 events, but only actually played 8 (she played Indian Wells doubles only, from what I can see) 

So the difference between Ella and the others at the top is the same, pretty much

I take Lambda's point about her playing lower ranking events at the start. 

But it's a bit more than that

Ella played 10 JA or J1 level events, including a whole bunch at the end of the year

Most of the other top-10 girls didn't play after the start of September 

None of this really matters to me - I think rankings at this age (both adult and junior) are all a bit of a circus - entertaining but nothing serious

I still think that, as of today, Ella's junior ranking is slightly inflated compared to her colleagues  (obviously her trajectory might carry on, though)

In the same way that her adult ranking is well lower than it should be compared to the others

(there's no way Ella is 920-ish while Sofia C is 420-ish and Sara S is 620-ish - i.e. that's not 'real' rankings)