Week 43 - WTA 250 - Cluj-Napoca, Romania Hard

indiana · Tennis legend

Week 43 - WTA 250 - Cluj-Napoca, Romania Hard

Lambda · Challenger level

For the rankings and the race players need to count the 4 GS, the 4 mandatory 1000s and 2 non-mandatory 1000s.

Therefore as Kontaveit's non-mandatory 1000s are worth 105, 1 and 1 points she needs to count one of the 1 point counters, which makes her lowest replacable counter 100 points.

indiana · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
For the rankings and the race players need to count the 4 GS, the 4 mandatory 1000s and 2 non-mandatory 1000s.

Therefore as Kontaveit's non-mandatory 1000s are worth 105, 1 and 1 points she needs to count one of the 1 point counters, which makes her lowest replacable counter 100 points.

Thanks Lambda, I was guessing it was something like that ( involving mandatory non mandatories ) as to why the live projections had Kontaveit having to count that 1 pointer.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Lambda wrote:
For the rankings and the race players need to count the 4 GS, the 4 mandatory 1000s and 2 non-mandatory 1000s.

Therefore as Kontaveit's non-mandatory 1000s are worth 105, 1 and 1 points she needs to count one of the 1 point counters, which makes her lowest replacable counter 100 points.

And whilst this type of ranking method might appeal to the purist and knowledgable punter to me it is not selling the game. That needs to be easy - no weird mandatory system, which is contrived to protect the bigger events. It should be a simple best 18 events or whatever total is deemed appropriate. simple, no messing and whilst at it make a 1000 event have 1000 points , a 500 and 250 have500 and 250. and no different rules for players at different ranking levels, eg top 20 get this or take off that. It needs to be simple and marketable.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes Jon, with thanks again to Lambda, the smile I added to "involving mandatory non mandatories" would probably have been more appropriately a sigh.

Personally I wouldn't go as far as simply the best 16, 18 or whatever. But I do certainly think that the ranking system is unnecessarily complicated.

-- Edited by indiana on Saturday 23rd of October 2021 11:39:17 PM

Peter too · Tennis legend

R1: RADUCANU, Emma (GBR) 3 24 (CH=22 2021) v HERCOG, Polonia (SLO) 123 (CH=35 2011)

If matches go to form Emma should meet Bogdan in R2, 6th seed Kostyuk in the QF and Halep in the SF.

-- Edited by Peter too on Sunday 24th of October 2021 12:16:56 AM

dodrade · Futures qualifying

Peter too wrote:
R1: RADUCANU, Emma (GBR) 3 24 (CH=22 2021) v HERCOG, Polonia (SLO) 123 (CH=35 2011)
If matches go to form Emma should meet Bogdan in R2, 6th seed Kostyuk in the QF and Halep in the SF.

-- Edited by Peter too on Sunday 24th of October 2021 12:16:56 AM

After Indian Wells I'm taking everything one match at a time.

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

dodrade wrote:
Peter too wrote:
R1: RADUCANU, Emma (GBR) 3 24 (CH=22 2021) v HERCOG, Polonia (SLO) 123 (CH=35 2011)
If matches go to form Emma should meet Bogdan in R2, 6th seed Kostyuk in the QF and Halep in the SF.

-- Edited by Peter too on Sunday 24th of October 2021 12:16:56 AM
After Indian Wells I'm taking everything one match at a time.

However hope Emma will beat Hercog for her first win on the main WTA tour.( not counting Grand Slams.) Hercog has not beaten anybody in the top 100 since beating Garcia and the now retired Bertens in Paris. She was one of Coco Gauff's victims on Gauff's Wimbledon debut in 2019.

paulisi · Tennis legend

GBJ wrote:
Shame to hear theres no crowd - would have been fun to see what kind of reception she got in her Dads homeland

Severe covid restrictions, mainly due to high vaccine reluctance in Romania and many Eastern bloc countries.

Takes the pressure off Emma a little.

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

Ace Ventura wrote:
Yeah, Paula was one of a few late withdrawals today, along with Muguruza (WC) and Alexandrova, and Mertens yesterday. I was under the impression that she still needed a QF here to secure her WTA Finals place, and was risking relying on Kontaveit not winning Moscow tomorrow and Cluj, as well as Jabeur not making the other 250 final, but she has seemingly qualified already due to Barty's withdrawal and Kontaveit apparently can't catch her.

The WTA are probably being petty over Barty withdrawing because Swiatek and Muguruza have definitely qualified, but there's been no announcement of anyone since Sakkari booked her place.

Sakkari is in the top 8 with hardly any career wins. At 25 K.level she has 1 win and 1WTA title in 2019 when she beat Jo in the Rabat final. No sure what it will say for womens tennis if she wins the year end WTA finals.

Samson · Lower Club Player

GAMEOVER wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
Yeah, Paula was one of a few late withdrawals today, along with Muguruza (WC) and Alexandrova, and Mertens yesterday. I was under the impression that she still needed a QF here to secure her WTA Finals place, and was risking relying on Kontaveit not winning Moscow tomorrow and Cluj, as well as Jabeur not making the other 250 final, but she has seemingly qualified already due to Barty's withdrawal and Kontaveit apparently can't catch her.

The WTA are probably being petty over Barty withdrawing because Swiatek and Muguruza have definitely qualified, but there's been no announcement of anyone since Sakkari booked her place.
Sakkari is in the top 8 with hardly any career wins. At 25 K.level she has 1 win and 1WTA title in 2019 when she beat Jo in the Rabat final. No sure what it will say for womens tennis if she wins the year end WTA finals.

That there is an incredible amount of depth in womens tennis at the moment, with the quality high and so many women capable of winning events?

indiana · Tennis legend

Samson wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
Yeah, Paula was one of a few late withdrawals today, along with Muguruza (WC) and Alexandrova, and Mertens yesterday. I was under the impression that she still needed a QF here to secure her WTA Finals place, and was risking relying on Kontaveit not winning Moscow tomorrow and Cluj, as well as Jabeur not making the other 250 final, but she has seemingly qualified already due to Barty's withdrawal and Kontaveit apparently can't catch her.

The WTA are probably being petty over Barty withdrawing because Swiatek and Muguruza have definitely qualified, but there's been no announcement of anyone since Sakkari booked her place.
Sakkari is in the top 8 with hardly any career wins. At 25 K.level she has 1 win and 1WTA title in 2019 when she beat Jo in the Rabat final. No sure what it will say for womens tennis if she wins the year end WTA finals.
That there is an incredible amount of depth in womens tennis at the moment, with the quality high and so many women capable of winning events?

Or that there is a lack of consistent absolute top class players to be the leaders and act as real targets for the others but instead a large group of good players who produce inconsistency and in turn certainly often not uninteresting tennis from tournament to tournament?

brendan · Strong Club Player

indiana wrote:
Samson wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
Ace Ventura wrote:
Yeah, Paula was one of a few late withdrawals today, along with Muguruza (WC) and Alexandrova, and Mertens yesterday. I was under the impression that she still needed a QF here to secure her WTA Finals place, and was risking relying on Kontaveit not winning Moscow tomorrow and Cluj, as well as Jabeur not making the other 250 final, but she has seemingly qualified already due to Barty's withdrawal and Kontaveit apparently can't catch her.

The WTA are probably being petty over Barty withdrawing because Swiatek and Muguruza have definitely qualified, but there's been no announcement of anyone since Sakkari booked her place.
Sakkari is in the top 8 with hardly any career wins. At 25 K.level she has 1 win and 1WTA title in 2019 when she beat Jo in the Rabat final. No sure what it will say for womens tennis if she wins the year end WTA finals.
That there is an incredible amount of depth in womens tennis at the moment, with the quality high and so many women capable of winning events?
Or that there is a lack of consistent absolute top class players to be the leaders and act as real targets for the others but instead a large group of good players who produce inconsistency and in turn certainly often not uninteresting tennis from tournament to tournament?

Or that they are all top class and cancel each other out. Gone are the days when there was only one woman everyone talked about and thank whoever your deity is for that

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

GBJ wrote:
Id seen somewhere that Badosa was down to play here but dont see her in the draw. Emma is seeded to meet Kostyuk in the quarters and top seed Halep in the Semis. Kontaveit is second seed and obvs in the other half - though shell prob be a bit tired

I would not be too sure about Simona Halep reaching the semi finals. In 11 tournaments this year she has only reached 1 semi final. . Having played in the top flight for many years injuries are now catching up with her.

Priesty · Challenger level

GAMEOVER wrote:
dodrade wrote:
Peter too wrote:
R1: RADUCANU, Emma (GBR) 3 24 (CH=22 2021) v HERCOG, Polonia (SLO) 123 (CH=35 2011)
If matches go to form Emma should meet Bogdan in R2, 6th seed Kostyuk in the QF and Halep in the SF.

-- Edited by Peter too on Sunday 24th of October 2021 12:16:56 AM
After Indian Wells I'm taking everything one match at a time.
However hope Emma will beat Hercog for her first win on the main WTA tour.( not counting Grand Slams.) Hercog has not beaten anybody in the top 100 since beating Garcia and the now retired Bertens in Paris. She was one of Coco Gauff's victims on Gauff's Wimbledon debut in 2019.

Didn't know Bertens had retired. How did I miss that one?