Week 43 - WTA 250 - Cluj-Napoca, Romania Hard

wolf · Tennis legend

Week 43 - WTA 250 - Cluj-Napoca, Romania Hard

GBJ · Club Coach

Id seen somewhere that Badosa was down to play here but dont see her in the draw. Emma is seeded to meet Kostyuk in the quarters and top seed Halep in the Semis. Kontaveit is second seed and obvs in the other half - though shell prob be a bit tired

GBJ · Club Coach

Shame to hear theres no crowd - would have been fun to see what kind of reception she got in her Dads homeland

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

Yeah, Paula was one of a few late withdrawals today, along with Muguruza (WC) and Alexandrova, and Mertens yesterday. I was under the impression that she still needed a QF here to secure her WTA Finals place, and was risking relying on Kontaveit not winning Moscow tomorrow and Cluj, as well as Jabeur not making the other 250 final, but she has seemingly qualified already due to Barty's withdrawal and Kontaveit apparently can't catch her.

The WTA are probably being petty over Barty withdrawing because Swiatek and Muguruza have definitely qualified, but there's been no announcement of anyone since Sakkari booked her place.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes, Kontaveit can't catch Badosa because of the points she would have to drop to add in Moscow and Cluj title points.

If Barty is out and Kontaveit wins the Moscow final then only Jabeur is under threat from a subsequent Cluj title for Kontaveit.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Yes, Kontaveit can't catch Badosa because of the points she would have to drop to add in Moscow and Cluj title points.

If Barty is out and Kontaveit wins the Moscow final then only Jabeur is under threat from a subsequent Cluj title for Kontaveit.

Thanks Indy, Id assumed it was something like that. if Kontaveit does win both , what round must Jabeur achiece to clinch the place ?

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Yes, Kontaveit can't catch Badosa because of the points she would have to drop to add in Moscow and Cluj title points.

If Barty is out and Kontaveit wins the Moscow final then only Jabeur is under threat from a subsequent Cluj title for Kontaveit.

Is it clear to you why Badosa has qualified Indy? It's something to do with the counters and mandatories and what not, but I was always under the impression that Kontaveit had a 30 point counter she could replace next week, but apparently it's 100, and that would make all the difference regarding passing Paula, but I'd still like actual proper official confirmation, or at least further reassuring biggrin . She did say in a Spanish interview that she would prefer not to play Cluj due to her shoulder, but would if she still required points.

Normally I'd be wanting Kontaveit to beat say Vondrousova, but I was definitely on the Marketa bandwagon this morning, to no avail, and now seemingly for no reason.

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
indiana wrote:
Yes, Kontaveit can't catch Badosa because of the points she would have to drop to add in Moscow and Cluj title points.

If Barty is out and Kontaveit wins the Moscow final then only Jabeur is under threat from a subsequent Cluj title for Kontaveit.
Thanks Indy, Id assumed it was something like that. if Kontaveit does win both , what round must Jabeur achiece to clinch the place ?

The consensus generally seems to be that Jabeur would need a SF in her W250, if Kontaveit won both titles.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Ace Ventura wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
indiana wrote:
Yes, Kontaveit can't catch Badosa because of the points she would have to drop to add in Moscow and Cluj title points.

If Barty is out and Kontaveit wins the Moscow final then only Jabeur is under threat from a subsequent Cluj title for Kontaveit.
Thanks Indy, Id assumed it was something like that. if Kontaveit does win both , what round must Jabeur achiece to clinch the place ?
The consensus generally seems to be that Jabeur would need a SF in her W250, if Kontaveit won both titles.

Thanks Ace- back to back titles is a big ask and rarely happens. Id have to back Ons to get the spot.

indiana · Tennis legend

Essentially it does appear to come down to what the WTA treat as race mandatories, specifically for now if her Montreal 1 point is a mandatory for Kontaveit.

Both live-tennis and OER in their 25/10 projections are treating Montreal as mandatory for her and thus her lowest non mandatory as 30 points. This then has them projecting a post Moscow maximum of 2441 + 470 - 30 = 2881.

From there she wouldn't be able to add the necessary further net race points next week to catch Badosa on 3112 points.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

indiana wrote:
Essentially it does appear to come down to what the WTA treat as race mandatories, specifically for now if her Montreal 1 point is a mandatory for Kontaveit.

Both live÷tennis and OER in their 25/10 projections are treating Montreal as mandatory for her and thus her lowest non mandatory as 30 points. This then has them projecting a post Moscow maximum of 2441 + 470 - 30 = 2881.

From there she wouldn't be able to add the necessary further net race points next week to catch Badosa on 3112 points.

How does that work - shed need 232 points to overtake Jabeur and doesnt the winner get 280 in Cluj?

edit - I meant Badosa of course , not Jabeur

-- Edited by JonH comes home on Saturday 23rd of October 2021 09:19:17 PM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
indiana wrote:
Essentially it does appear to come down to what the WTA treat as race mandatories, specifically for now if her Montreal 1 point is a mandatory for Kontaveit.

Both live÷tennis and OER in their 25/10 projections are treating Montreal as mandatory for her and thus her lowest non mandatory as 30 points. This then has them projecting a post Moscow maximum of 2441 + 470 - 30 = 2881.

From there she wouldn't be able to add the necessary further net race points next week to catch Badosa on 3112 points.
How does that work - shed need 232 points to overtake Jabeur and doesnt the winner get 280 in Cluj?

Or does that 30 counter being a 100 counter make the difference as per ace post above ?

Ace Ventura · Tennis legend

Thanks Indi.

And yeah, if that is all correct, you'd rather be Ons, Jon, because her fate is in her own hands, but Kontaveit is playing well, a fairly big fave tomorrow, and definitely seems to be in the right side of the draw as far as Cluj goes. Back to titles would be very tough, but then we all know from Garcia winning Wuhan and Beijing back to back 4 years ago and pipping Konta that it can be done.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Being honest Im amazed the WTA have the finals straight after Prague Fed Cup finals. And they really dont publicised the Race or Finals like the ATP do. Which is a shame and makes it lose some lustre.

indiana · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
indiana wrote:
Essentially it does appear to come down to what the WTA treat as race mandatories, specifically for now if her Montreal 1 point is a mandatory for Kontaveit.

Both live÷tennis and OER in their 25/10 projections are treating Montreal as mandatory for her and thus her lowest non mandatory as 30 points. This then has them projecting a post Moscow maximum of 2441 + 470 - 30 = 2881.

From there she wouldn't be able to add the necessary further net race points next week to catch Badosa on 3112 points.
How does that work - shed need 232 points to overtake Jabeur and doesnt the winner get 280 in Cluj?

But if she drops 30 points this week then her next one on the chopping block is at least 65 points ( actually probably 100 since IW and Miami are presumably also mandatories ).

So at best 2881 + 280 - 65 = 3096.

As AV suggests though, if Kontaveit wins Moscow it is still worth waiting to see the official 25/10 update for Kontaveit, and that she does indeed drop 30 points rather than 1.