Week 40 - WTA1000 Indian Wells, USA Hard

indiana · Tennis legend

Week 40 - WTA1000 Indian Wells, USA Hard

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

At least shes got a decent week to travel across to Moscow and play those events fresher . Long way for one match, but as was said by someone , in the Times article I think it was, shes known as a builder. If she plays these 4 weeks still, lets look out for what she does in Linz.

Shhh · Challenger level

I think the tournament came to soon for her but, it may turn out to be a good thing.

Emma is the real deal, we all know that, but what happened in the early hours was a huge dose of perspective. It showed us where Emma is at the moment, nothing more or less. It'll be interesting as she plays for a few weeks back to back if we see lessons learned and improvement or not. At the end of the day, nothing we see this year from her will come close to matching the high of the US Open

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Peter too wrote:

R2: RADUCANU, Emma (GBR) WC 17 22 lost to SASNOVICH, Aliaksandra (BLR) 100 2-6 4-6

Well, Jeremy, what have you got to say?

Andy Richardson HAS to have a quiet smile, surely.....

emmsie69 · Top national player

Shhh wrote:
I think the tournament came to soon for her but, it may turn out to be a good thing.

Emma is the real deal, we all know that, but what happened in the early hours was a huge dose of perspective. It showed us where Emma is at the moment, nothing more or less. It'll be interesting as she plays for a few weeks back to back if we see lessons learned and improvement or not. At the end of the day, nothing we see this year from her will come close to matching the high of the US Open

I agree, usually you'd play a warm up before a tournament of this magnitude, next years tournament will be a better guide. I personally think Emma did the absolutely right thing by embracing all the fabulous events that came her way after her win. You only live once and you've got to take those opportunities when they come. I think it was Belinda that said she wished she'd enjoyed her US Open win more. There will be more tournaments and successes in Emmas future and if there isn't, she has some wonderful memories to look back on.

dodrade · Futures qualifying

Coup Droit wrote:
Peter too wrote:

R2: RADUCANU, Emma (GBR) WC 17 22 lost to SASNOVICH, Aliaksandra (BLR) 100 2-6 4-6
Well, Jeremy, what have you got to say?
Andy Richardson HAS to have a quiet smile, surely.....

Do we blame Bates's malign influence or was she just rusty after a month off?

I guess this means she's playing Moscow and Linz rather than Mexico.

-- Edited by dodrade on Saturday 9th of October 2021 07:18:33 AM

-- Edited by dodrade on Saturday 9th of October 2021 07:20:32 AM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
my uneducated view is that we most likely will see Emma have some ups and downs over the next 4 events she has entered (incl Linz OR WTA Finals)!!

My instinct, nothing more , is a couple of early losses, maybe a title as well. She is learning but clearly very capable and that would fit.

No idea what order we will get those in of course!!

I think was highly predictable and surprised if anyone is surprised! Lets see if she gets better results later in this run, I reckon shell have one stand out week in a few weeks.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

dodrade wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Peter too wrote:

R2: RADUCANU, Emma (GBR) WC 17 22 lost to SASNOVICH, Aliaksandra (BLR) 100 2-6 4-6
Well, Jeremy, what have you got to say?
Andy Richardson HAS to have a quiet smile, surely.....
Do we blame Bates's malign influence or was she just rusty after a month off?
I guess this means she's playing Moscow and Linz rather than Mexico.

-- Edited by dodrade on Saturday 9th of October 2021 07:18:33 AM

-- Edited by dodrade on Saturday 9th of October 2021 07:20:32 AM
Anyone blaming jeremy bates is misguided. This was down to 3 weeks or more off, inexperience, playing a seasoned pro.

whether standing down Andy Richardson and her physio was a mistake would be a better thing for her to consider. Jeremy was just a temporary support, over there anyway with Katie B etc

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

dodrade wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Peter too wrote:

R2: RADUCANU, Emma (GBR) WC 17 22 lost to SASNOVICH, Aliaksandra (BLR) 100 2-6 4-6
Well, Jeremy, what have you got to say?
Andy Richardson HAS to have a quiet smile, surely.....
Do we blame Bates's malign influence or was she just rusty after a month off?
I guess this means she's playing Moscow and Linz rather than Mexico.

Hey, I'm not going to hang the guy

It's obvious that you can't go from being 150 in the world to Serena-like 'guaranteed' number one overnight. There's got to be bumps.

And the expectations and pressures this time round are 100% different from the US Open (which, I imagine, is far more important than a month off).

But it does depend partly how these issues are dealt with. The pre-tournament/pre-match mind-set. And, yes, it does feed into my pet theory that Jeremy does not get the best out of players, he doesn't 'boost' them but drags them down.

emmsie69 · Top national player

My mum is a soul sucker, it really does grind you down.

I call her The Dementor.

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Saturday 9th of October 2021 08:33:10 AM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Does anyone here know Jeremy? It seems very unfair. How do we know hes a soul sucker?

He may not be a good coach , I dont know, but lets not tear him apart guys.

HarryGem · Club Coach

indiana wrote:
Short term caution justified.

No huge deal after everything that the last month or so has brought.

Though, while maybe still the same result, I just don't understand the coaching thing, especially when Emma has repeatedly said that her greatest memory was the night after the US Open final, just her and her team. Why not if possible leave things in place for the rest of the season or OK sooner if a new coach in place? As much familiarity as possible might be good right now.

I agree completely with this. I can understand the need to look for a long term coach but as nothing is going to happen on that front until the close season I can't understand the timing of the decision. If it ain't broke.....

I think Emma is probably over ranked right now. Not saying she won't be a top 20 player but rankings can be skewed by one big result in the majors. I think realistically she's probably at around 50-100 in terms of overall results/performances etc and she's very inexperienced at this level. And I think it is fair to expect the kind of results a player with this ranking would expect to get, ie some losses and some good wins.

She does however, need to chalk up that first WTA tour win soon or the pressure will start to build despite winning the US Open.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
Does anyone here know Jeremy? It seems very unfair. How do we know hes a soul sucker?

He may not be a good coach , I dont know, but lets not tear him apart guys.

Have sat next to him for many days, watching him as a coach.

I'm not claiming to know the man as an individual - he might be a nice guy, who supports local charities, and calls his mother every week.

But he is NOT nice to officials, organisers etc (witnessed first-hand). AND he is not a good coach, IMHO, again witnessed firsthand.

ADD: and emmsie did not say that Jeremy was a soul-sucker. She said her mother was/is. Quite different. :)

ADD 2: and anyway, this is the nature of coaching, Jeremy knows that.

If you're player does well, it's partly down to you. If they mess up, that's partly down to you too. It has to be - or else why have a coach?

So Andy gets a lot of kudos for what he managed to achieve at the US (obviously Emma was the principal element but the coach, the team, enable it).

In the same way, Jeremy has to take some share of the loss from yesterday. Again, if not, that's like saying that a coach is irrelevant. And coaches are usually far more important for younger players.

But none of this is very important - like emmsie, I think Emma did excatly the right thing in going out and enjoying the thrill of the moment after the US Open. THere's zillions of time to buckle down and all that.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Saturday 9th of October 2021 08:33:20 AM

PaulM · Tennis legend

Yeah like others I'm struggling to be bothered about this result. Indian Wells is a tricky place and conditions matter. Emma will be fine. She's going to pick up a lot of losses as she continues to develop on the Tour, it happens. But she's a quick learner, so I'm sure she's picked up a few things from her hour and a half on court against a decent if not spectacular Tour opponent who's been around long enough to know the ropes.

Different when you have a target on your back too.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Does anyone here know Jeremy? It seems very unfair. How do we know hes a soul sucker?

He may not be a good coach , I dont know, but lets not tear him apart guys.
Have sat next to him for many days, watching him as a coach.
I'm not claiming to know the man as an individual - he might be a nice guy, who supports local charities, and calls his mother every week.
But he is NOT nice to officials, organisers etc (witnessed first-hand). AND he is not a good coach, IMHO, again witnessed firsthand.
ADD: and emmsie did not say that Jeremy was a soul-sucker. She said her mother was/is. Quite different. :)
ADD 2: and anyway, this is the nature of coaching, Jeremy knows that.
If you're player does well, it's partly down to you. If they mess up, that's partly down to you too. It has to be - or else why have a coach?
So Andy gets a lot of kudos for what he managed to achieve at the US (obviously Emma was the principal element but the coach, the team, enable it).
In the same way, Jeremy has to take some share of the loss from yesterday. Again, if not, that's like saying that a coach is irrelevant. And coaches are usually far more important for younger players.
But none of this is very important - like emmsie, I think Emma did excatly the right thing in going out and enjoying the thrill of the moment after the US Open. THere's zillions of time to buckle down and all that.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Saturday 9th of October 2021 08:33:20 AM

Thanks for the insights, appreciated