Week 40 - WTA1000 Indian Wells, USA Hard

GAMEOVER · Satellite level

RE: Week 40 - WTA1000 Indian Wells, USA Hard

Steve J · Lower Club Player

Ms. Watson lost her doubles match.

Not a particularly good tournament for the British women.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

GAMEOVER wrote:
I notice that Leyla Fernandez did not have a US Open hangover as she beat Alize Cornet easily, Emma is still looking for her first WTA main tour singles win. But she does have what most players never get a Grand Slam singles title.

Agreed. Prediction for next few weeks - if she plays them all, Moscow another early round 1 or 2 loss; cluj a couple of wins; Linz semis or better.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Does anyone here know Jeremy? It seems very unfair. How do we know hes a soul sucker?

He may not be a good coach , I dont know, but lets not tear him apart guys.
Have sat next to him for many days, watching him as a coach.
I'm not claiming to know the man as an individual - he might be a nice guy, who supports local charities, and calls his mother every week.
But he is NOT nice to officials, organisers etc (witnessed first-hand). AND he is not a good coach, IMHO, again witnessed firsthand.
ADD: and emmsie did not say that Jeremy was a soul-sucker. She said her mother was/is. Quite different. :)
ADD 2: and anyway, this is the nature of coaching, Jeremy knows that.
If you're player does well, it's partly down to you. If they mess up, that's partly down to you too. It has to be - or else why have a coach?
So Andy gets a lot of kudos for what he managed to achieve at the US (obviously Emma was the principal element but the coach, the team, enable it).
In the same way, Jeremy has to take some share of the loss from yesterday. Again, if not, that's like saying that a coach is irrelevant. And coaches are usually far more important for younger players.
But none of this is very important - like emmsie, I think Emma did excatly the right thing in going out and enjoying the thrill of the moment after the US Open. THere's zillions of time to buckle down and all that.

-- Edited by Coup Droit on Saturday 9th of October 2021 08:33:20 AM
Thanks for the insights, appreciated

Realise this sounds a bit narky from me, wasnt supposed to! Sorry- genuinely thanks, I dont know the guy at all so its good to hear some first hand info!

the addict · Tennis legend

For the record

R1 (L32):- Alexa Guarachi (CHI) / Desirae Krawczyk (USA) CR29 (12+17) [4] def Heather Watson (GBR) / Saisai Zheng (CHN) CR 167 (113+54) [SR] 3-6 6-3 10-8

Actually not a bad score against the #4 seeds

the addict · Tennis legend

To add to what CD has said, I've witnessed Jeremy at Chiswick a couple of times in the past, sitting watching Emily Appleton as part of the Sky team. All I'll say is if I was being watched by such a miserable looking team I'd rapidly lose all confidence. I don't remember seeing him smile once at either tournament.

Elegant Point · Satellite level

the addict wrote:
To add to what CD has said, I've witnessed Jeremy at Chiswick a couple of times in the past, sitting watching Emily Appleton as part of the Sky team. All I'll say is if I was being watched by such a miserable looking team I'd rapidly lose all confidence. I don't remember seeing him smile once at either tournament.

He looked like a bulldog chewing a wasp throughout Emmas match hmm

I am a great believer in if its not broken dont fix it. IMO the LTA should have left Emma with her original team and as someone else said brought in specialist to work on specifics.

if she never wins another grand slam she is amazing biggrin

Steve J · Lower Club Player

Elegant Point wrote:
IMO the LTA should have left Emma with her original team and as someone else said brought in specialist to work on specifics.

She is a grand slam winner. The final decision as to who is on her team should be hers.

kundalini · Specialist Reporter + Intermediate Club Player

I put that loss down to:

- 20% Sasnovich performing reasonably well overall

- 40% Emma lacking the experience, knowledge and skill-set for evening matches on slow hardcourts

- 40% Emma performed poorly, first serve percentage a bit lower than usual, failed to put away shots giving AS the chance to lob her, a few near misses, too many wild forehands, dfs and poor backhands into the net, not enough fight, especially from 4-2 in 2nd set.

Losing early at Indian Wells and other slow hardcourts, of which there are many on the WTA tour, doesn't bother me. In a few years' time, Emma will probably have figured out how to play in these conditions. However, I'm a bit concerned about the implications for a night match at Australian Open or under the roof at Wimbledon. Hopefully the next coach will be able to help her with shot selection in slower conditions.

-- Edited by kundalini on Saturday 9th of October 2021 04:48:30 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

I still think a lot is down to Emma's last month or so and not really being ready to go again. And I don't blame her at all for that. While I don't understand the coaching set-up change and I take in all that has been said re Jeremy Bates, I am not sure he can have had too much negative effect.

Interesting though re the slower conditions and it will be interesting to see how that goes in the future. But yes she certainly seems to have a fast conditions game.

Helen40 · Grand Slam Champion

hmmm, it just seems like Emma is a momentum player. Is it just Moscow on her schedule this year? If so, then roll on next season and the run up to the Aussie.

I'm not concerned about her or Mr Bates here, and hopefully she'll have her team sorted by next season. Maybe these conditions will never suit her - they didn't Mr Murray.

indiana · Tennis legend

Yes Andy could have done with this year's US Open speed of courts during previous years.

emmsie69 · Top national player

She's had a busy 6 months, going straight into IW from coming down off Wimby, A levels and the US Open, I'm not surprised she stumbled.
RE Jeremy Bates, if he is as bad as people say on here then he needs to be put in the bin. Negativity can drag others down without them realising until they are away from that person for a period. He won't have had an impact on Emma but certainly Katie might be impacted.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Helen40 wrote:
hmmm, it just seems like Emma is a momentum player. Is it just Moscow on her schedule this year? If so, then roll on next season and the run up to the Aussie.

I'm not concerned about her or Mr Bates here, and hopefully she'll have her team sorted by next season. Maybe these conditions will never suit her - they didn't Mr Murray.

Shes got 3 events currently planned this year, Moscow and then Cluj in Romania and Linz in Austria- all indoor events at Wta level

the addict · Tennis legend

Just watched the match on catch-up. My own view (which agrees with others here) is that Emma hadn't adjusted to the conditions and slower court, and consequently her timing was a little out. She was also looking to finish the rallies too early and going for the lines, which led to so many UFE. Not badly out-played, but not good enough on the day.