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Weeks 35 & 36 - US Open, Flushing Meadows, New York City (hard)


Like the men, our two main draw players are found in the bottom half of the draw.

With hope, may one or two of our other ladies will join them!

 

L128: Heather Watson WR62 (CH=38 in January 2015) vs Kaja Juvan (SLO) WR109 (CH=91 in February 2021)

No head to head.

L128: Kristina Mladenovic (FRA) WR57 (CH=10 in October 2017) vs Johanna Konta WR47 (CH=4 in July 2017)

Head to head 5-0 in Kiki's favour. 

Still, if Jo can finally beat Svitolina at the 6th attempt maybe she can do the same here...? And the head to head is from 2011-2015. 



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5-0 for Kiki ?!?!?!

Seriously !?!?!

Wow....... well, time for that to end.

Don't know how you for there in the first place, Jo.

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Juvan was the second lowest ranked direct entry prior to qualifying, WR 107 at entry date, ahead only of Venus Williams who of course has since withdrawn.

I guess might be better to play her without her having come through qualifying ( though the heat doesn't seem much fun ).



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5-0 for Kiki ?!?!?!

Seriously !?!?!

Wow....... well, time for that to end.

Don't know how you for there in the first place, Jo.


 I know, right? It's a puzzler. I guess much of it will depend on how fit Jo actually is because the signs post Nottingham have not been favourable. 



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Our leading women players are getting short changed by Mike Dickson in his Daily Mail column about the US Open draw. Andy gets the headlines and half the write up. Cam and Dan's opponents and prospects are discussed. The rest of the srticle is devoted to the progress of Emma in qualifying  and defeats for Fran and Sam. Jo and Heather get no mention at all.

Simon Briggs in the Telegraph is worse. Emma gets the headlines and half the write up and the other half of his write up is devoted to Andy and his US Open draw. No mention of any other British player even though Cam and Dan are  seeded.



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GAMEOVER wrote:

Our leading women players are getting short changed by Mike Dickson in his Daily Mail column about the US Open draw. Andy gets the headlines and half the write up. Cam and Dan's opponents and prospects are discussed. The rest of the srticle is devoted to the progress of Emma in qualifying  and defeats for Fran and Sam. Jo and Heather get no mention at all.

Simon Briggs in the Telegraph is worse. Emma gets the headlines and half the write up and the other half of his write up is devoted to Andy and his US Open draw. No mention of any other British player even though Cam and Dan are  seeded.


 Nice to have a little more balance and other info than seems to be the case. But the stories going into this US Open are Emma's rise this summer and Andy continuing to campaign so they will naturally be the focus of most of the wtite ups 



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indiana wrote:

Juvan was the second lowest ranked direct entry prior to qualifying, WR 107 at entry date, ahead only of Venus Williams who of course has since withdrawn.

I guess might be better to play her without her having come through qualifying ( though the heat doesn't seem much fun ).


 Heather is still chasing that elusive first win in the US Open having made her debut in 2011 . Rankings have changed since the cut off entry date for the US Open. For instance Emma's opponent Sherif is now 95  in the world so would be a direct entry and the same with Konjuh, Schmiedlova and Parrizas. Diaz. Are the 3 lucky losers really lucky losers or the 3 highest ranked players who lose in the final round of qualifying?. 



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5-0 for Kiki ?!?!?!

Seriously !?!?!

Wow....... well, time for that to end.

Don't know how you for there in the first place, Jo.


 I know, right? It's a puzzler. I guess much of it will depend on how fit Jo actually is because the signs post Nottingham have not been favourable. 

To be honest most of Jo's signs have not been favourable since  she revealed she had knee problems in December 2019. If she doesn't beat Mladenovic this will be the first year since 2014 when she has failed to win at least one match in the Grand Slams. The baton is being passed onto Emma. 


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GAMEOVER wrote:

Our leading women players are getting short changed by Mike Dickson in his Daily Mail column about the US Open draw. Andy gets the headlines and half the write up. Cam and Dan's opponents and prospects are discussed. The rest of the srticle is devoted to the progress of Emma in qualifying  and defeats for Fran and Sam. Jo and Heather get no mention at all.

Simon Briggs in the Telegraph is worse. Emma gets the headlines and half the write up and the other half of his write up is devoted to Andy and his US Open draw. No mention of any other British player even though Cam and Dan are  seeded.


 As a British Tennis fan I agree with you Gameover.  But papers are telling a story for their readers.  Many will not have an in depth knowledge but will be simply wondering "who has Andy Murray got" or "hows that new British girl getting on?"  If either writer listed out the players and opponents and supplied the information, readers would drift off before they completed the article.  The writers have to look at the project (the US Open) and ask themselves whats the story here, what questions do the readers want answered and go with that.  Jo and Heather may become a story during the event but otherwise only those on here and similar sites are interested.



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GAMEOVER wrote:
indiana wrote:

Juvan was the second lowest ranked direct entry prior to qualifying, WR 107 at entry date, ahead only of Venus Williams who of course has since withdrawn.

I guess might be better to play her without her having come through qualifying ( though the heat doesn't seem much fun ).


 Heather is still chasing that elusive first win in the US Open having made her debut in 2011 . Rankings have changed since the cut off entry date for the US Open. For instance Emma's opponent Sherif is now 95  in the world so would be a direct entry and the same with Konjuh, Schmiedlova and Parrizas. Diaz. Are the 3 lucky losers really lucky losers or the 3 highest ranked players who lose in the final round of qualifying?. 


 Luckyish losers since it is a ballot of the leading ranked losers in FQR, the ballot being I think one or two more than the number of LLs ( someone will know the precise details? ).

With just 3 all seeded FQR clashes other than (31) Emma's and (32) Harriet's there is in theory still a chance for either of them to be involved. But it is then possibly asking for all the other  remaining seeds to win their matches against non seeds ( the top 8 are still there for starters ). So realistically, as the 2 lowest seeds and a non seed, all our 3 will have to win or it will be over and out. 



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A plug and link to FWs prediction competition - have a go!

britishtennis.activeboard.com/t67838747/poll-which-british-player-will-get-the-most-main-draw-wins-a/

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And a plug for the other competition !

britishtennis.activeboard.com/t67838682/poll-how-many-british-wins-will-we-get-in-the-us-open/

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indiana wrote:
GAMEOVER wrote:
indiana wrote:

Juvan was the second lowest ranked direct entry prior to qualifying, WR 107 at entry date, ahead only of Venus Williams who of course has since withdrawn.

I guess might be better to play her without her having come through qualifying ( though the heat doesn't seem much fun ).


 Heather is still chasing that elusive first win in the US Open having made her debut in 2011 . Rankings have changed since the cut off entry date for the US Open. For instance Emma's opponent Sherif is now 95  in the world so would be a direct entry and the same with Konjuh, Schmiedlova and Parrizas. Diaz. Are the 3 lucky losers really lucky losers or the 3 highest ranked players who lose in the final round of qualifying?. 


 Luckyish losers since it is a ballot of the leading ranked losers in FQR, the ballot being I think one or two more than the number of LLs ( someone will know the precise details? ).

With just 3 all seeded FQR clashes other than (31) Emma's and (32) Harriet's there is in theory still a chance for either of them to be involved. But it is then possibly asking for all the other  remaining seeds to win their matches against non seeds ( the top 8 are still there for starters ). So realistically, as the 2 lowest seeds and a non seed, all our 3 will have to win or it will be over and out. 


Yeah, it's 2 extra, so it will be the 3 LLs + 2, so 5 in total (3 of which are guaranteed to be higher than our players). I think it's unlikely any of them will get in if they lose, Emma may have a small chance, but she only has buffer for one seed to lose to a non seed (or Harriet). I'm sure most on here would love Katie B to be one of those, Harriet too for that matter, so if either of those 2 won, then that would severely reduce Emma's chances, if both won, then it would end them, providing there were no further withdrawals.

Odds wise, Katie and Harriet are both favourites to advance, as was mentioned earlier (as is Emma), most of the other seeds are favourite to advance, but unseeded Masarova is also the narrow favourite to beat the seeded Cristian, and Marino scored some cracking wins in Montreal the other week (much to my displeasure, ha), so definitely a live dog vs Minnen. 

Hopefully we get at least 2 qualifying as that would be a great return, and while I'd love Emma to, and it would be great for her growing reputation and profile, realistically, at her age, stage of career, Wimbledon windfall, and expected opportunities ahead, she arguably needs it less then anyone else in qualifying, including her two compatriots, especially when you see the likes of Bonaventure writing huge paragraphs on FB contemplating her future after recent early tournament exits. That said, if I could choose only one of them going through, then I would personally hope for Emma, just for the excitement factor.



-- Edited by Ace Ventura on Friday 27th of August 2021 11:52:59 AM

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I was going to add this link to the above post, but as it was a quote, it wouldn't have worked, but these are the (average) odds for the 16 women FQRs - www.tennisexplorer.com/us-open/2021/wta-women/

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Bottom half will play on Monday apparently.

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