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Weeks 22 & 23 - French Open (Roland-Garros) - Paris, France (clay) - main draw


You are right HarryGem that injuries that players are already carrying may play a part in who progresses.

I think that the lack of tournaments due to Covid has meant that with less tournaments, a lot of players are less fit than normal, as it is only really when you are playing several really competitive matches in a long tournament full of high class players, that you really push your body to its limits - training is all very well, but I think it is matches that really test players physically - and the amount going out injured or hampered by injuries before they come on court has played a bigger part than usual, I think.

I think the fact that Badosa has a normal rest day should mean she is recovered enough to be OK and Vondrousova has disappointed me before in Grand Slams, by one minute looking good enough and the next match, fading into nothing. Hercog though was in fine form and really battled, so I was do wonder if Vondrousova is on another run, like she was in 2019, when she very unexpectedly made the final. The fact that she did that there should give her some confidence that she can do it again.

I am not sure that the players are as negative about facing Serena in 2021, as she isn't quite the force she once was - I do though also think that she could well beat Rybakina fairly comfortably, but it will have to be a vintage Serena to beat Azarenka, and you are right that Azarenka is the one player in the bottom half who won't be at all frightened of Serena and will fancy their chances.

Logic tells me that Serena's game is declining a bit now and her chances of equalling or even beating Margaret Court's record are much diminished. The fact that clay is a slower surface gives her a bit more time to get shots in, but it also means that her opponents have a bit more time to do more with the ball and make her run around, which at her age is obviously not what she wants to do. I therefore don't necessarily think that the fact that it is on clay gives her an advantage over other surfaces and I tend to think it will be yet another case of coming close but no cigar.

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I'd say the bigger factor is the other players mentality, more than what Serena can or can't do right now (physically), you're right that Azarenka is the only one mentality tough enough to take her on, the rest are push overs and roll over. My money's on Serena

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You are right HarryGem that injuries that players are already carrying may play a part in who progresses.

I think that the lack of tournaments due to Covid has meant that with less tournaments, a lot of players are less fit than normal, as it is only really when you are playing several really competitive matches in a long tournament full of high class players, that you really push your body to its limits - training is all very well, but I think it is matches that really test players physically - and the amount going out injured or hampered by injuries before they come on court has played a bigger part than usual, I think.

I think the fact that Badosa has a normal rest day should mean she is recovered enough to be OK and Vondrousova has disappointed me before in Grand Slams, by one minute looking good enough and the next match, fading into nothing. Hercog though was in fine form and really battled, so I was do wonder if Vondrousova is on another run, like she was in 2019, when she very unexpectedly made the final. The fact that she did that there should give her some confidence that she can do it again.

I am not sure that the players are as negative about facing Serena in 2021, as she isn't quite the force she once was - I do though also think that she could well beat Rybakina fairly comfortably, but it will have to be a vintage Serena to beat Azarenka, and you are right that Azarenka is the one player in the bottom half who won't be at all frightened of Serena and will fancy their chances.

Logic tells me that Serena's game is declining a bit now and her chances of equalling or even beating Margaret Court's record are much diminished. The fact that clay is a slower surface gives her a bit more time to get shots in, but it also means that her opponents have a bit more time to do more with the ball and make her run around, which at her age is obviously not what she wants to do. I therefore don't necessarily think that the fact that it is on clay gives her an advantage over other surfaces and I tend to think it will be yet another case of coming close but no cigar.


Hopefully, and you'd generally think so, certainly better than playing the next day. I know you're more coming from a Marketa POV, as you've mentioned her a few times before, and I'm obviously the other way, so more likely to be looking for potential excuses biggrin, but I can remember in 2019, a R3 match on the Friday between Mertens and Sevastova, match of the tournament on the women's side, an over 3 hr physical battle, 11-9 in the third, and it was much earlier in the day as well and not ending at 9pm local like Badosa yesterday, and Sevastova had very little left in her R4 match with Vondrousova, and subsequently lost 6-2 6-0, so you never know how they will recover physically and emotionally, but hopefully it's a good match. I'm thinking 50/50, although the bookies have it an average of PB 1.63, MV 2.31, but then Paula has been a pretty big favourite in most of her recent matches, as well as the outright odds, so not too surprising that she is favoured here, although a lot narrow than her last 7 matches.

I'm thinking Serena and Vika prevailing in their mini section, and maybe leaning more towards Zidansek in the final match of this half, although that's a hell of an opportunity for both to make a slam QF, which would be exactly 12 years since Cirstea's one and only to date.

Decent R3 match between Sakkari and Mertens on now, with the former taking a very tight first set.

 

 



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Completed L16 line-up :

(25) Jabeur vs (24) Gauff
Stephens vs Krajcikova
(4) Kenin vs (17) Sakkari
Kostyuk vs (8) Swiatek

(7) S Williams vs (21) Rybakina
(15) Azarenka vs (31) Pavlyuchenkova
Zidansek vs Cirstea
(20) Vondrousova vs (33) Badosa



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Sloane Stephens picked the right time to string some wins together. Would love to see her go on and win.

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Completed L16 line-up :

(25) Jabeur vs (24) Gauff
Stephens vs Krajcikova
(4) Kenin vs (17) Sakkari
Kostyuk vs (8) Swiatek

(7) S Williams vs (21) Rybakina
(15) Azarenka vs (31) Pavlyuchenkova
Zidansek vs Cirstea
(20) Vondrousova vs (33) Badosa


 The last 16, I always think, is the most useful stage for looking at information about top players. 

So, for rather random information, not all relevant as such, (and apologies for any errors) but just to note: 

Of those 16 we have: 

USA: 4

Czech Rep: 2

and 1 each from Tunisia, Greece, Ukraine, Poland, Kazakhstan, Belorussia, Russia, Slovenia, Spain and Romania

So practically all Europe and USA (with a welcome Tunisia addition to broaden things a little)

The lack of 'traditional' clay court countries is marked (only one Spaniard, and that's it - although I always think of Romanian tennis as being clay based but I'm not really sure that's right, and that's only 1 other player anyway) 

15 are right-handed; only one leftie (Vondrousova)

There are three black players. One Muslim player. Two women who are mothers. 

The average height is: 174.4 cm

Only three are 180cm or taller.

Four are 170cm or shorter.

The average age is: 24.9 years

(without Serena it's 24 years)

This is quite a bit younger than when I did this a couple of years ago when it was well over 26. 

Two players under 20. 

Three over 30. 

But ten are 25 or younger, which heavily weights it to the younger side. 

 



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Coup you didn't mention the shoe sizes of the last 16's, nor how many players were born on which days of the week.

Seriously though, your stats are absolutely amazing - it must have taken great time and trouble to sift through and get that amount of data.

The thing that stands out for me are the range of countries involved - it emphasises how tennis is now a truly global sport and how few countries really dominate any more, although I am sure Romanians, Czechs and Slovakians would be quick to mention how they are outperforming for their size of country, though only the Czechs in this year's tournament.

Changing the subject, did anyone see the Gauff match? She blew Brady off court and although Brady went off injured, Gauff looked amazing and it looked like a case of Gauff on fire rather than Brady injured.

The top half has some great Round 4 match ups - I am particularly looking forward to Gauff against Jabeur - I have warm feelings towards both players and will be happy for whoever makes the Quarter Final - Gauff against Stephens would be really fascinating though. With Kenin and Swiatek still there, it looks like a potentially great quarter final line up in the top half, and pretty hard to predict who will win the tournament - Ill call it for Swiatek though, just for a bit of fun.



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Current betting landscape if anyone wants a flutter. Iga odds on at a fair few places now, and Serena creeping in:

 

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Serena's gonna take this one

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Thanks, Andy

There are a couple of other things I'd like to know and haven't got round to checking (but shouldn't be too tricky) - for instance, how many have siblings? AND where do they come in the sibling order? (I did some research in France and it was clear there (at the time) that younger siblings out-perform, i.e. more top players are younger siblings than oldest ones - guess the littl'un spends his/her life trying to be Big Bro/Sis)

Also, whether they have parents who are/were high level sportspeople.

And more.....

Thanks for the betting table, Ace.

It's interesting, especially (again) at this stage in the process.

As you say, some very interesting women's matches coming....

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indiana wrote:

Completed L16 line-up :

(25) Jabeur vs (24) Gauff
Stephens vs Krajcikova
(4) Kenin vs (17) Sakkari
Kostyuk vs (8) Swiatek

(7) S Williams vs (21) Rybakina
(15) Azarenka vs (31) Pavlyuchenkova
Zidansek vs Cirstea
(20) Vondrousova vs (33) Badosa


 Personally I think Gauff is nailed on for the semi final.  Swiatek should beat Kostyuk. Stephens against Krajcikova who knows. Kenin against Sakkari is also tough to call. I think Swiatek will get to the semi final too.

In the bottom half I think it will be a Williams v Vondrousova semi final.

 

What odds on a Gauff v Williams final?



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I think Serena could come unstuck against Azarenka.

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My guesses would be Gauff v Swiatek for one semi and Azarenka v Vondrousova, so we are very much similar in our predictions on this.

Gauff seemed to reach another level yesterday - she no longer looks like a talented child causing ripples in the adult game, but now like someone who is a Grand Slam contender.

It would be amazing if Gauff won or made the final - perhaps the start of someone set to finally dominate the women's game. If any of you have access to re-watching her incredibly quick set against Brady, I would urge you to do so - I think it took around 20 minutes and was the best set of tennis I have seen anyone play for a long time.



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Yes, Coco looks great. She was always so much more than the other talented youngsters - the noise the ball made off her racket as a 13 year-old at Wimble qualis, and her balance, and thinking, was just amazing.

Her serve, I feel, still has a fair bit of work to do - it's technically not brilliant and although the outcome is quite decent, it obviously gets under her skin when it goes AWOL, which affects the rest of her.

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Zidansek edges a very close first set to Cristea - not really sure how, but it is the first time I have seen Zidansek play. Both her and Cristea are playing well, but it would be a slight surprise I think if either made it any further than this.

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