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Weeks 22 & 23 - French Open (Roland-Garros) - Paris, France (clay) - main draw


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Injured and/or ran out of gas in 3rd set, after 5 sets in last round


 Musetti, was not injured, he just confirmed in his press conference, that he retired as he was not winning points anymore. At 4-0 in final set, he was scared of the double bagel.  

This woke generation of tennis players, is terrible, Boris Becker was also very scathing in his comments. For the sake of 8 more points, why not complete the match????

 


 Two takeaways from this post-match interview: firstly, Lorenzo risks losing my undying love - retiring at 0-4 down coz you're losing is just childish and prima donna-ish 

And secondly , it shows why we have post match interviews. Because players are real, and it shouldn't all be about carefully doctored soundbites that your agent releases. Sorry, Naomi, but I think interviews are important 



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Wednesday 9th of June 2021 06:24:28 PM

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I think it was more a language thing, as in "I stopped because I knew I could/would not win anymore points" because of fatigue etc. Rather than stopping because I was losing. But "I know nothing". Naomi should watch Andy Roddick AO interview in 2007 for inspiration.

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The bottom half of the draw is turning into an ATP 250. I think Isner will take out Sissypas and Opelka will take out Medvedev. Let's hope Fognini comes out from the Bottom half and we have a Nadal vs Fog final.


 Is this a genuine misspelling or are you adding a slur to Tsitsipas' name? 


 it's a slur,  this next gen are more obsessed with Instagram and love island then they are with training hard and winning, the reason why big 3 are still winning is more of a indictment on this new gen, then is of praise for the big 3. The big 3 have stopped taking masters 1000 seriously, allowing the door to be opened for them,  but they are miles away in best of 5 tennis, and are mentally weak.  Could you really see Lendl or Martina Nav, being mentally down and refusing to do media duties???  Not blaming Osaka, but the society that has created this. I have even seen odds over on MTF that she will appear as non-binary before Wimbledon. 


How are slurs like this allowed on this board!? As an openly gay man, I find this pretty offensive. The word 'sissy' has been chucked around for many, many years to abuse gay or effeminate men and your use of it in an almost proud way is not acceptable. I've been on this board for a number of years, and really love it due to the vast tennis knowledge on here and the active debates. But time and time again I see your xenophobic, bigoted and just hateful messages, which really frustrates me and leaves a bitter taste in the mouth. Rant over, but I'd personally appreciate people avoiding using derogatory terms on this board.


 Happy to be educated, I acknowledged that the sissy means female like, and I use it in that way purely in descriptive manner.  It has no relation to any view on homosexuality, is purely on a visual sense. This is no longer the 1970s, gay men come in all types all across the spectrum, and I do not really associate them with  being more sissy like than hetrosexual men.  I'm just old enough to remember the back end of peter beardsley's club career, where it was common to call him the hunchback of notre dam, will this be banned now??

But what you also have to understand is that by calling me a bigot you lower yourself, very similar to the Gordon Brown incident all those years ago that pre-dated the cancel culture of today.  

 

 


It doesn't matter if that wasn't your intention, the word has been used predominantly as a slur towards gay men for decades. To your other point, regardless of sexual orientation the use of the word sissy infers there's a negative connotation to men possessing feminine traits e.g. being more in touch with their emotions etc. It is shocking that suicide is the biggest killer of men under 45 in the UK, but it's also not shocking when we know that men aren't socialised to talk about their feelings or emotions, it isn't seen as a 'masculine' trait and better to keep a 'tough upper lip. Therefore jibes like 'sissy' and so on just cause more damage than good. So I'd just ask that you take this into consideration before proudly using such terms on the board and elsewhere. 



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For all the denigration of the women's game based on the failure of the top players to live up to their reputation, it isn't half as depressing to me that today two top 10 male players were utterly trounced by two men in their mid 30s who show no sign of waning any time soon. They might as well have just held the final at the start and the rest not bother turning up.



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Its true, Brendan. My hope is that Wimbledon provides more chance for surprise and someone to come through. Im not sure any of the newer players know how to play on grass though. If he could keep his head together, Id love to see Nick K do it, he knows how to play on grass., but he wont of course. Zverev is the only top male with any pedigree really. But I fear most a last 4 of the big 3 and Zverev with another final between djoko and nadal to excite us, not.

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brendan wrote:

For all the denigration of the women's game based on the failure of the top players to live up to their reputation, it isn't half as depressing to me that today two top 10 male players were utterly trounced by two men in their mid 30s who show no sign of waning any time soon. They might as well have just held the final at the start and the rest not bother turning up.


While in general I am rather tired of their domination, err, Djokovic has only just completed a 6-3 6-2 6-7(5) 7-5 win over Berrettini whereas you posted 36 minutes ago. I wasn't following the 4th set until the last game which was a battle to break and avoid another TB, so I don't know if that was a 4th set comeback by Berrettini but the utter trouncing was certainly called early. 

Gawd, Djojovic's roaring and kicking hoardings. There's being very competitive and being even more thoroughly dislikable. Guess it works for him though 



-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 10th of June 2021 12:05:01 AM

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Coup Droit wrote:
Vandenburg wrote:
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Injured and/or ran out of gas in 3rd set, after 5 sets in last round


 Musetti, was not injured, he just confirmed in his press conference, that he retired as he was not winning points anymore. At 4-0 in final set, he was scared of the double bagel.  

This woke generation of tennis players, is terrible, Boris Becker was also very scathing in his comments. For the sake of 8 more points, why not complete the match????

 


 Two takeaways from this post-match interview: firstly, Lorenzo risks losing my undying love - retiring at 0-4 down coz you're losing is just childish and prima donna-ish 

And secondly , it shows why we have post match interviews. Because players are real, and it shouldn't all be about carefully doctored soundbites that your agent releases. Sorry, Naomi, but I think interviews are important 


 And as you might expect I take away exactly the opposite. Some poor young foreigner is interviewed in a language that isn't his own and says something deemed inappropriate - quite possibly because of a nuance of the translation, but at the very least because he hasn't yet learned to only answer with the anodyne. As a result he risks losing the undying love of a supporter. It therefore shows why we shouldn't have post-match interviews because a single error in an interview can lead to a lifetime of missed fandom. Carefully doctored soundbites are likely to be the only future comments.

I don't think interviews are important. Or even necessary.

Incidentally there are no compulsory interviews in golf, and that doesn't seem to detract from the popularity of the sport or the players.



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That particular problem isnt to do with gender as much as generation, the young generation have it so so difficult and most of them are unable and unwilling to work even a little bit hard as much as sit around and feel sad and blame others.

As far as sexuality goes wales1994, for me we as people are all equally worthless, except me personally I hold a special negative place in my heart for the people who don't recycle, the climate is changing and its a very easy thing to do, we only have one planet, very ignorant to not recycle these days

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ChrisT, The interview showed honesty. The Italian forums seem quite confident that his comments were completely understood. I would have assumed he was having a hissy fit if he retired at 0-4 down, without undue medical treatment anyway, so it only confirmed it.
I think it makes my 'undying love' more nuanced and therefore more real.
But I know we don't agree



-- Edited by Coup Droit on Wednesday 9th of June 2021 10:02:50 PM

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Ironic to mention that golf doesn't have interviews, then why does it has special press conferences and nation wide mandatory apologies when tiger woods is unfaithful?

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Coup cheating on us with the Italian forums? Perhaps like Rafa at the start of his press career, let the guy's (Musetti) tennis talk for him, only players like Nick amongst others who have to win the press conference and/or post one small victory as a huge thing because he doesn't accomplish. Every two days his Instagram is that he beat Novak and Rafa once



-- Edited by junior on Wednesday 9th of June 2021 10:12:49 PM

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junior wrote:

Ironic to mention that golf doesn't have interviews, then why does it has special press conferences and nation wide mandatory apologies when tiger woods is unfaithful?


They aren't mandatory, nor golf related.

Americans have different standards for the humility required of some people for some events.



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Coup Droit wrote:

ChrisT, The interview showed honesty.


 Always a possibility, in one so young:

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... at the very least because he hasn't yet learned to only answer with the anodyne.

 



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You're not in favour of interviews soliciting honesty that we might have been deprived of, Chris? 

Maybe a bit naive but honest and clearly not a translation issue and before they had a possible camp less contentious explanation / lie agreed.

He's not the first to just throw in the towel and he won't be the last ( not great but there are far worse issues ) and I hope to see him continue to progress and not become too anodyne.



-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 10th of June 2021 04:06:51 PM

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christ wrote:
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Ironic to mention that golf doesn't have interviews, then why does it has special press conferences and nation wide mandatory apologies when tiger woods is unfaithful?


They aren't mandatory, nor golf related.

Americans have different standards for the humility required of some people for some events.


 I'd imagine Tiger Woods wouldn't have openly selected to plaster his personal business all over the tv and news outlets. Are any of the drug cheats ever called in to publicly apologize on national tv in front of the world I ask? 



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