Report someone taking photographs in a public place

Elegant Point · Satellite level

RE: YOUNGEST EVER BRITISH TOUR WINNER

emmsie69 · Top national player

JonH comes home wrote:
Another one, I was maybe 15 and played a lad in the Leeds league , local rivals. He was same age. He went on to play pro circuit for a year or two but never made it big. But he was way better than me. My game was all flair , lots of tricky boasts, nicks, always trying to play the unexpected, didnt like playing the lines up the wall so much. I made loads of errors normally as a consequence. This one day it all went right and I beat this guy in 4 games. Hed been gradually cracking up in the match , a couple of shots that bounced twice he called up. But nothing too outrageous. But at the end , he just cried and cried and cried. Losing to the likes of me, he couldnt take. Ive never seen such a display of self pity.

I think much of it is entitlement, pressure from parents or coaches or even peers to do well and individual sports like tennis or squash put you in the eye of the storm and some players cant behave .

Mind you, I smashed a Lot of racquets in my time , swore, ranted etc, but never , ever , ever cheated on a line call or swore or argued with an opponent. That is where the line is drawn.

My Son wasnt a really bad racket smasher but he did have a habit of smacking the edge of the racket on the ground, after the 3rd broken frame I told him the next time his racket would be replaced with the ****tiest racket I could find in Woolies, funnily enough we never had another broken frame!!!

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

Elegant Point wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Yes, but seemingly this checking a couple of times is not sufficient

(I've heard SO many complaints about kids cheating, from forumites and others, it's obviously a major problem)

And the number of kids who've given up because of it.

PS Yes, as said, I didn't think the LTA would allow the filming without permission but, as it's not illegal, sometimes it might just shake a player a little if you start doing a few clips or taking photos.
I just checked back and the girl who didnt want to be filmed was Katherine Barnes - was Felixstowe (not Frinton)

That's actually quite funny smile

NB Agree with emmsie, and Jon's story, it's obviously very much the parents' fault. But that doesn't really help the kid down the other end....

the addict · Tennis legend

At the moment, KB's not entered for Felixstowe (w/c 25/05) or Frinton (w/c 21/06), or I'd drop by and have a look.

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

the addict wrote:
At the moment, KB's not entered for Felixstowe (w/c 25/05) or Frinton (w/c 21/06), or I'd drop by and have a look.

no truth in the rumour that Andy will play Felixstowe to get onto grass early biggrin ?

the addict · Tennis legend

JonH comes home wrote:
the addict wrote:
At the moment, KB's not entered for Felixstowe (w/c 25/05) or Frinton (w/c 21/06), or I'd drop by and have a look.
no truth in the rumour that Andy will play Felixstowe to get onto grass early ?

Haha, that would be something, wouldn't it. Although the club wouldn't be able to cope with the crowds !

Spireman · Club Coach

Coup Droit wrote:
Elegant Point wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Yes, but seemingly this checking a couple of times is not sufficient

(I've heard SO many complaints about kids cheating, from forumites and others, it's obviously a major problem)

And the number of kids who've given up because of it.

PS Yes, as said, I didn't think the LTA would allow the filming without permission but, as it's not illegal, sometimes it might just shake a player a little if you start doing a few clips or taking photos.
I just checked back and the girl who didnt want to be filmed was Katherine Barnes - was Felixstowe (not Frinton)
That's actually quite funny
NB Agree with emmsie, and Jon's story, it's obviously very much the parents' fault. But that doesn't really help the kid down the other end....

Just checked back 2019 felixstowe results, winner was Jizel msf beat kb 6-1 4-2 retired... .

The Optimist · ATP qualifying

In reply to CD's points on filming, if the participants are under 18 you have to have permission (not just tennis). And with regard to umpires, I believe the tournament has to pay them (fair enough) and often only get more than one official when stipulated in the tournament rules. Often junior tournaments have a raft of volunteer court supervisors (who have often been on an LTA course) to back up the main referee. However, the BT has only ever had one official running the events as they are aimed at adults who are expected to be grown up enough to play fairly and not have tantrums !!

the addict · Tennis legend

The Optimist wrote:
In reply to CD's points on filming, if the participants are under 18 you have to have permission (not just tennis). And with regard to umpires, I believe the tournament has to pay them (fair enough) and often only get more than one official when stipulated in the tournament rules. Often junior tournaments have a raft of volunteer court supervisors (who have often been on an LTA course) to back up the main referee. However, the BT has only ever had one official running the events as they are aimed at adults who are expected to be grown up enough to play fairly and not have tantrums !!

All well and good - but most of the participants on the Tier 2 events I have been too were juniors, and there was only one official.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

The Optimist wrote:
In reply to CD's points on filming, if the participants are under 18 you have to have permission (not just tennis). And with regard to umpires, I believe the tournament has to pay them (fair enough) and often only get more than one official when stipulated in the tournament rules. Often junior tournaments have a raft of volunteer court supervisors (who have often been on an LTA course) to back up the main referee. However, the BT has only ever had one official running the events as they are aimed at adults who are expected to be grown up enough to play fairly and not have tantrums !!

Outside of tennis, this is not so.

There is no law to prevent you taking photos or film of people (including children) in a public place

(NB I'm not recommending it, people will infer things from it, and probably quite rightly, but it is not illegal per se)

See quotes from police web sites such as:

Freedom to photograph and film

Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel.

Report someone taking photographs in a public place

There is no law preventing people from taking photographs in public. This includes taking photos of other peoples children.

DF · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
The Optimist wrote:
In reply to CD's points on filming, if the participants are under 18 you have to have permission (not just tennis). And with regard to umpires, I believe the tournament has to pay them (fair enough) and often only get more than one official when stipulated in the tournament rules. Often junior tournaments have a raft of volunteer court supervisors (who have often been on an LTA course) to back up the main referee. However, the BT has only ever had one official running the events as they are aimed at adults who are expected to be grown up enough to play fairly and not have tantrums !!
Outside of tennis, this is not so.
There is no law to prevent you taking photos or film of people (including children) in a public place
(NB I'm not recommending it, people will infer things from it, and probably quite rightly, but it is not illegal per se)
See quotes from police web sites such as:
Freedom to photograph and film
Members of the public and the media do not need a permit to film or photograph in public places and police have no power to stop them filming or photographing incidents or police personnel.
Report someone taking photographs in a public place
There is no law preventing people from taking photographs in public. This includes taking photos of other peoples children.

We have been told that we cannot take photos of our children at school or even at chapel when they are in various entertainments (eg end of term festival) because of the need for everyone's permission.

emmsie69 · Top national player

The Optimist wrote:
In reply to CD's points on filming, if the participants are under 18 you have to have permission (not just tennis). And with regard to umpires, I believe the tournament has to pay them (fair enough) and often only get more than one official when stipulated in the tournament rules. Often junior tournaments have a raft of volunteer court supervisors (who have often been on an LTA course) to back up the main referee. However, the BT has only ever had one official running the events as they are aimed at adults who are expected to be grown up enough to play fairly and not have tantrums !!

No you don't, any requirement to have permission to film is not based on law, it is perfectly legal to film minors in a public place. The LTA request that people filming have permission but agian this is not a law.

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

As emmsie says (and the law - see Met Police and other police forces' websites), that's not true, DF, if it's in a public place. There is no right to privacy as such, if you're in a public place, and someone's right to 'respect for private life' only applies to public bodies anyway (as with all human rights). Equally, Data Protection issues don't apply to unidentified photos.

However, school rules for on their property may be different (as LTA rules are). But these are rules, not the law, and they can ask you to leave but nothing more, i.e. they can't even ask for the photos back, - of course, if your child goes to that school, I realise you won't want to create a huge hoo-hah, but that wouldn't really apply if you just go to an LTA tennis event....

The Liverpool Echo has a piece a little while back about filming school events:

www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/liverpool-news/what-law-says-whether-you-15504606

londontennistube · Lower Club Player

emmsie69 wrote:
Coup Droit wrote:
Hmmm......

What about all the people who are qualifying to be umpires etc? Could you not get a few of them for each event? As part of their qualification?

I can't remember for mine (it was ages back, and in France) but I'm pretty sure I had to do 6 'real' matches or something, after the exam and tests, in order to get it accredited.

And then you definitely had to do some a year to keep the licence valid.

(PS It's probably good form to ask, and I guess the umpire would have said to stop if she complained, but you don't have to ask permission if you want to film people in a public place. Just look at the police sites. Sham the guy just didn't do some whatever......)
I'm pretty sure that in LTA tournaments you do have to have permission from both parties (even though it's not a legal requirement) Referees that run a lot of tournaments generally know who is a cheat and will try to keep an eye, sometimes just checking a couple of times in a match can be enough to keep them honest.

well this is what it says in the view regulations bit on every lta tournament

If I am a parent/guardian or coach/representative I also confirm that I am authorised to enter the player on his/her behalf and that the player has read and understood these documents.
I understand that by signing up to this competition:

I may be involved in any filming of, and publicity connected with, the competition, including on-court video recording, media interviews, photographs, TV footage, and live streaming of matches;
unless the Entry Secretary or Referee is informed otherwise in writing before the commencement of the competition.
i get permission from tournament directors for every match i film yet the ref allways asks the players permission which if in the the case of turning up to film a final and one player say no then what ? this is my main concern .

Strongbow · All-time great

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