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I was reading through NCAA Division One winners list on wiki. As well as Paul Jubb two years back, Lloyd Glasspool won doubles in 2015, which is the only British win previously. No womens winners.


 Eden Richardson (LSU) was the 2018 NCAA Doubles Champion 



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cya wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

I was reading through NCAA Division One winners list on wiki. As well as Paul Jubb two years back, Lloyd Glasspool won doubles in 2015, which is the only British win previously. No womens winners.


 Eden Richardson (LSU) was the 2018 NCAA Doubles Champion 


yes youre right , Id missed her name in the list , playing with Jessica Golovin (is she related to the well known French player of a few years back, was it tatiana golovin?).



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JonH comes home wrote:
cya wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

I was reading through NCAA Division One winners list on wiki. As well as Paul Jubb two years back, Lloyd Glasspool won doubles in 2015, which is the only British win previously. No womens winners.


 Eden Richardson (LSU) was the 2018 NCAA Doubles Champion 


yes youre right , Id missed her name in the list , playing with Jessica Golovin (is she related to the well known French player of a few years back, was it tatiana golovin?).


 I don't think they are related,  going from Jessica's bio on the LSU page and Tatiana's wiki profile. Just a coincidence with surnames.  Similar how some people used to think Eden Richardson and Erin Richardson were sisters 



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cya wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
cya wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

I was reading through NCAA Division One winners list on wiki. As well as Paul Jubb two years back, Lloyd Glasspool won doubles in 2015, which is the only British win previously. No womens winners.


 Eden Richardson (LSU) was the 2018 NCAA Doubles Champion 


yes youre right , Id missed her name in the list , playing with Jessica Golovin (is she related to the well known French player of a few years back, was it tatiana golovin?).


 I don't think they are related,  going from Jessica's bio on the LSU page and Tatiana's wiki profile. Just a coincidence with surnames.  Similar how some people used to think Eden Richardson and Erin Richardson were sisters 


 Yes, though to be fair, Richardson is a very common  name (in the west) whereas Golovin really isn't (although I've no idea how common it is in Russia- I know there's a footballer called Golovin so it might be as common as chips over there.... although, you've then got to divide that down by the disaspora figures so it's still not that likely, I guess) 



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In the rain delayed PAC-12 conference team championships held in San Diego:

For the men, University of Southern California (USC) Trojans took the win 4-1 over Arizona State University (ASU) Sun Devils

For the women, University of California (Cal) Golden Bears upset University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) Bruins 4-2

Both winning teams automatically through to the NCAA team championships in 3 weeks time in Orlando, Florida

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No. 3-ranked and second-seeded Baylor men's tennis swept No. 2-ranked and top-seeded Texas 4-0 Monday afternoon at the Hurd Tennis Center to win the 2021 Big 12 Championship.

Brits Finn Bass and Charlie Broom clinched the doubles with a 6-4 win over Texas Micah Braswell and Payton Holder. In singles, Charlie beat Chih Chi Huang for the third time this season, 6-3, 6-2.
"Having learned from the last match and learned where I made mistakes, I was going into today confident," Charlie said. "He's a really talented player, very dangerous. I know his game well, and I just tried to use the conditions to my advantage."

IMO Baylor Men's team have a great chance at winning the NCAA team final

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Looking at the history, I see UCLA and Stanford dominated for a long while and then USC really came to the fore and dominated for years until 2014 but then fall off a cliff. Since then Georgia and then Virginia, Texas and Wake Forest seem to have come to the fore.

What happened to the programmes at Stanford and USC, UCLA, although I see the latter two have come through the conferences from the above reporting on PAC12?

Womens game, though, Stanford appear to have kept at the top, but with Florida seemingly being biggest recent rivals?

Stanford was of course John McEnroe's alma-mater and I think Jimmy Connors was at UCLA, as was Arthur Ashe?

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Tennpar wrote:

In the rain delayed PAC-12 conference team championships held in San Diego:

For the men, University of Southern California (USC) Trojans took the win 4-1 over Arizona State University (ASU) Sun Devils

For the women, University of California (Cal) Golden Bears upset University of California, Los Angeles (UCLA) Bruins 4-2

Both winning teams automatically through to the NCAA team championships in 3 weeks time in Orlando, Florida


 That's good win for Cal Women's, they beat the regular season champions Stanford in the semis. Erin Richardson on the roster there



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JonH comes home wrote:

Looking at the history, I see UCLA and Stanford dominated for a long while and then USC really came to the fore and dominated for years until 2014 but then fall off a cliff. Since then Georgia and then Virginia, Texas and Wake Forest seem to have come to the fore.

What happened to the programmes at Stanford and USC, UCLA, although I see the latter two have come through the conferences from the above reporting on PAC12?

Womens game, though, Stanford appear to have kept at the top, but with Florida seemingly being biggest recent rivals?

Stanford was of course John McEnroe's alma-mater and I think Jimmy Connors was at UCLA, as was Arthur Ashe?


 In the PAC-12 conference Stanford is top , but not in overall rankings across all the conferences - as  University of North Carolina has held the top spot (in women's) for a while. Florida women's doing fairly OK in the SEC although they lost in the quarters of the championships last week. 

Regarding falling off the schools probably get a fresh crop of players in every couple of years and it takes some time , maybe a year or longer for them to work well together as a team , so they might slide back in the ranking for that period and then start to come back up the rankings once the team is well embedded. 



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cya wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

Looking at the history, I see UCLA and Stanford dominated for a long while and then USC really came to the fore and dominated for years until 2014 but then fall off a cliff. Since then Georgia and then Virginia, Texas and Wake Forest seem to have come to the fore.

What happened to the programmes at Stanford and USC, UCLA, although I see the latter two have come through the conferences from the above reporting on PAC12?

Womens game, though, Stanford appear to have kept at the top, but with Florida seemingly being biggest recent rivals?

Stanford was of course John McEnroe's alma-mater and I think Jimmy Connors was at UCLA, as was Arthur Ashe?


 In the PAC-12 conference Stanford is top , but not in overall rankings across all the conferences - as  University of North Carolina has held the top spot (in women's) for a while. Florida women's doing fairly OK in the SEC although they lost in the quarters of the championships last week. 

Regarding falling off the schools probably get a fresh crop of players in every couple of years and it takes some time , maybe a year or longer for them to work well together as a team , so they might slide back in the ranking for that period and then start to come back up the rankings once the team is well embedded. 


 Thanks cya - I was thinking long term sustained success. You can see from attached mens and womens title winners, the pattern I was trying to describe - where some dominant schools have moved off the pace (was it West Coast schools initially) and others have come  through a little. Dont know if that reflects their sports programmes more widely?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men%27s_Tennis_Championship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Women%27s_Tennis_Championship

  



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JonH comes home wrote:
cya wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

Looking at the history, I see UCLA and Stanford dominated for a long while and then USC really came to the fore and dominated for years until 2014 but then fall off a cliff. Since then Georgia and then Virginia, Texas and Wake Forest seem to have come to the fore.

What happened to the programmes at Stanford and USC, UCLA, although I see the latter two have come through the conferences from the above reporting on PAC12?

Womens game, though, Stanford appear to have kept at the top, but with Florida seemingly being biggest recent rivals?

Stanford was of course John McEnroe's alma-mater and I think Jimmy Connors was at UCLA, as was Arthur Ashe?


 In the PAC-12 conference Stanford is top , but not in overall rankings across all the conferences - as  University of North Carolina has held the top spot (in women's) for a while. Florida women's doing fairly OK in the SEC although they lost in the quarters of the championships last week. 

Regarding falling off the schools probably get a fresh crop of players in every couple of years and it takes some time , maybe a year or longer for them to work well together as a team , so they might slide back in the ranking for that period and then start to come back up the rankings once the team is well embedded. 


 Thanks cya - I was thinking long term sustained success. You can see from attached mens and womens title winners, the pattern I was trying to describe - where some dominant schools have moved off the pace (was it West Coast schools initially) and others have come  through a little. Dont know if that reflects their sports programmes more widely?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men%27s_Tennis_Championship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Women%27s_Tennis_Championship

  


 Looking at the stats I totally see where you're coming from regarding long term sustained success for those schools. That would certainly be a good research topic for someone's Ph.D dissertation / thesis!  



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JonH comes home wrote:
cya wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

Looking at the history, I see UCLA and Stanford dominated for a long while and then USC really came to the fore and dominated for years until 2014 but then fall off a cliff. Since then Georgia and then Virginia, Texas and Wake Forest seem to have come to the fore.

What happened to the programmes at Stanford and USC, UCLA, although I see the latter two have come through the conferences from the above reporting on PAC12?

Womens game, though, Stanford appear to have kept at the top, but with Florida seemingly being biggest recent rivals?

Stanford was of course John McEnroe's alma-mater and I think Jimmy Connors was at UCLA, as was Arthur Ashe?


 In the PAC-12 conference Stanford is top , but not in overall rankings across all the conferences - as  University of North Carolina has held the top spot (in women's) for a while. Florida women's doing fairly OK in the SEC although they lost in the quarters of the championships last week. 

Regarding falling off the schools probably get a fresh crop of players in every couple of years and it takes some time , maybe a year or longer for them to work well together as a team , so they might slide back in the ranking for that period and then start to come back up the rankings once the team is well embedded. 


 Thanks cya - I was thinking long term sustained success. You can see from attached mens and womens title winners, the pattern I was trying to describe - where some dominant schools have moved off the pace (was it West Coast schools initially) and others have come  through a little. Dont know if that reflects their sports programmes more widely?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men%27s_Tennis_Championship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Women%27s_Tennis_Championship

  


Stanford are more limited in their recruitment pool than many other universities as the players need to be very academic. Stanford allegedly even more difficult than the Ivies to get into. USC and UCLA also have high entrance requirements, I dont know how much flexibility there is for athletes at these colleges?

Stanford had the top mens recruiting class in 2020 with Arthur Fery plus 3 Americans and were 21st this year. Arguably Stanford mens team are better on paper than their performance this year, eg. losing 4-2 to #42 Uni Oregon and losing the conference championship. UCLA were the number one recruiting class this year and USC were #21 and UCLA were #25 in 2020.

Maybe a reflection of the super chicken model?

 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj_uamc7p7wAhWPEMAKHdruALwQFjACegQICRAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSuper-chicken_Model&usg=AOvVaw22oODlRQAaJRS6ETf0d_GM



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JonH comes home wrote:
cya wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:

Looking at the history, I see UCLA and Stanford dominated for a long while and then USC really came to the fore and dominated for years until 2014 but then fall off a cliff. Since then Georgia and then Virginia, Texas and Wake Forest seem to have come to the fore.

What happened to the programmes at Stanford and USC, UCLA, although I see the latter two have come through the conferences from the above reporting on PAC12?

Womens game, though, Stanford appear to have kept at the top, but with Florida seemingly being biggest recent rivals?

Stanford was of course John McEnroe's alma-mater and I think Jimmy Connors was at UCLA, as was Arthur Ashe?


 In the PAC-12 conference Stanford is top , but not in overall rankings across all the conferences - as  University of North Carolina has held the top spot (in women's) for a while. Florida women's doing fairly OK in the SEC although they lost in the quarters of the championships last week. 

Regarding falling off the schools probably get a fresh crop of players in every couple of years and it takes some time , maybe a year or longer for them to work well together as a team , so they might slide back in the ranking for that period and then start to come back up the rankings once the team is well embedded. 


 Thanks cya - I was thinking long term sustained success. You can see from attached mens and womens title winners, the pattern I was trying to describe - where some dominant schools have moved off the pace (was it West Coast schools initially) and others have come  through a little. Dont know if that reflects their sports programmes more widely?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Men%27s_Tennis_Championship

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Division_I_Women%27s_Tennis_Championship

  


Stanford are more limited in their recruitment pool than many other universities as the players need to be very academic. Stanford allegedly even more difficult than the Ivies to get into. USC and UCLA also have high entrance requirements, I dont know how much flexibility there is for athletes at these colleges?

Stanford had the top mens recruiting class in 2020 with Arthur Fery plus 3 Americans and were 21st this year. Arguably Stanford mens team are better on paper than their performance this year, eg. losing 4-2 to #42 Uni Oregon and losing the conference championship. UCLA were the number one recruiting class this year and USC were #21 and UCLA were #25 in 2020.

Maybe a reflection of the super chicken model?

 https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&ved=2ahUKEwj_uamc7p7wAhWPEMAKHdruALwQFjACegQICRAD&url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FSuper-chicken_Model&usg=AOvVaw22oODlRQAaJRS6ETf0d_GM


 Like I said , a potential good research topic! Never heard of the super chicken model before , but it totally makes sense 



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The Conference USA Championships are being held on April 22-25 in Denton, Texas.
Old Dominion are top seeds, and Holly Hutchinson will again be playing at 1


 Old Dominion won the title, with Holly undefeated in both singles and doubles over the three matches.

"With the win, the Monarchs earn the league's automatic bid to the NCAA tournament on May 16-28, at the USTA National Campus (Collegiate Center) in Orlando, Florida"


 Will Holly be turning pro after graduation?


 She was certainly planning on it pre-pandemic.  Whether that is still the case I wouldn't know.  I hope she does give it a shot - she's very athletic, tall and with real power.  Her father was a county cricketer and so I would imagine she would have no illusions as to the life-style of a professional athlete.



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Div 1 colleges end of season rankings just published , links below for teams, individual singles and doubles

www.wearecollegetennis.com/2021/04/28/oracle-ita-division-i-mens-team-rankings-april-28-2021/

www.wearecollegetennis.com/2021/04/28/oracle-ita-division-i-mens-singles-rankings-april-28-2021/

www.wearecollegetennis.com/2021/04/28/oracle-ita-division-i-mens-doubles-rankings-april-28-2021/

Brits men in Top 125

8 Johannus Monday Tennessee
13 Alastair Gray TCU
22 Connor Thomson University of South Carolina
32 Millen Hurrion University of Kentucky
37 Hamish Stewart Tulane University
56 James Story University of Memphis
63 Arthur Fery Stanford University
68 Toby Samuel University of South Carolina
84 Joshua Goodger University of Florida
89 Giles Hussey University Of Tennessee
97 Barnaby Smith Texas A&M University
117 Jacob Fearnley TCU


Brits Mens in Doubles Top 90 (together or part of a pair)

8 Will Davies Oliver Okonkwo University of Iowa
11 Daniel Rodrigues Connor Thomson University of South Carolina
19 David Stevenson Oscar Cutting University of Memphis
21 Hamish Stewart Ewan Moore Tulane University
26 Finn Murgett Tad Maclean Auburn University
29 Emile Hudd Matej Vocel Oklahoma State University
57 Alastair Gray Jacob Fearnley TCU
88 Charlie Broom Sven Lah Baylor University
89 James Davis Matt Summers University of Denver

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