Week 13 - ITF (W25) VIlla Maria, Argentina, Clay

indiana · Tennis legend

Week 13 - ITF (W25) VIlla Maria, Argentina, Clay

emmsie69 · Top national player

tharris wrote:
Tough loss for Fran. Why did she bring Haddad Maia into the argument? Players need to stop expecting their opponents to overturn an umpire's call, especially in this case, as it was a call on Fran's end of the court.

I thought it sounded like it was called out. Possibly Haddad Maias coach was the one that queried the call and then the Umpire over ruled? To be honest no idea what is going on.

-- Edited by emmsie69 on Sunday 4th of April 2021 06:09:19 PM

dodrade · Futures qualifying

HarryGem wrote:
PaulM wrote:
Think it was because Haddad's coach had made some sort of indication he thought it was out apparently. But a learning experience, she shouldn't have let that moment decimate her set and basically end her hopes in the final.
Agree about the learning experience. From what I recall she got upset in a match in Australia earlier this year too. She's having a good year but sometimes you have to let things go. But as you say she will learn from these times.
Still a good week for her.

I hope these outbursts don't hurt her career in the long term. She certainly seems much more fiery than the other British girls.

emmsie69 · Top national player

dodrade wrote:
HarryGem wrote:
PaulM wrote:
Think it was because Haddad's coach had made some sort of indication he thought it was out apparently. But a learning experience, she shouldn't have let that moment decimate her set and basically end her hopes in the final.
Agree about the learning experience. From what I recall she got upset in a match in Australia earlier this year too. She's having a good year but sometimes you have to let things go. But as you say she will learn from these times.
Still a good week for her.
I hope these outbursts don't hurt her career in the long term. She certainly seems much more fiery than the other British girls.

Doesn't Jodie have a rep too. To overcome what Fran has to get to this level, you need to have something about you, she'll learn to channel it better, if she doesn't it will only hurt her in the long run.

DF · Tennis legend

emmsie69 wrote:
dodrade wrote

I hope these outbursts don't hurt her career in the long term. She certainly seems much more fiery than the other British girls.
Doesn't Jodie have a rep too. To overcome what Fran has to get to this level, you need to have something about you, she'll learn to channel it better, if she doesn't it will only hurt her in the long run.

Harriet also is prone to outbursts where she believes that she has been wronged (wrongly) and then simmers and loses the match

Coup Droit · Tennis legend

DF wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
dodrade wrote

I hope these outbursts don't hurt her career in the long term. She certainly seems much more fiery than the other British girls.
Doesn't Jodie have a rep too. To overcome what Fran has to get to this level, you need to have something about you, she'll learn to channel it better, if she doesn't it will only hurt her in the long run.
Harriet also is prone to outbursts where she believes that she has been wronged (wrongly) and then simmers and loses the match

Absolutely.

And they're not the only ones - I think most nations' forums could give you a list VERY quickly.

The mistake, IMO, is this: (And Fran, if you've got nothing better to do, please tune into our forum for free support and advice smile ):

So:

Argue the toss about the actual call, the facts, fine.

Go for, 'it was out, look it's out, Maia's coach says it's out, there's clear grains between the mark and the line etc. etc. etc.'

BUT don't do what you did yesterday Fran and descend into taking it personally and making it very emotive i.e.

'Are you seriously going to do this? Beatriz, are you serious? Umpire, you are not being serious, are you? Maia, what about sportsmanship? You can't be going to be so unsporstmanlike, surely?....'

The first focuses your anger on the actual perceived wrong but limits it to the actual call

The second becomes a 'the whole world is against me and it's all so unfair'

Just saying, Fran (and Jodie, and Harriet, and whoever else......) smile

DF · Tennis legend

Coup Droit wrote:
DF wrote:
emmsie69 wrote:
dodrade wrote

I hope these outbursts don't hurt her career in the long term. She certainly seems much more fiery than the other British girls.
Doesn't Jodie have a rep too. To overcome what Fran has to get to this level, you need to have something about you, she'll learn to channel it better, if she doesn't it will only hurt her in the long run.
Harriet also is prone to outbursts where she believes that she has been wronged (wrongly) and then simmers and loses the match
Absolutely.
And they're not the only ones - I think most nations' forums could give you a list VERY quickly.
The mistake, IMO, is this: (And Fran, if you've got nothing better to do, please tune into our forum for free support and advice ):
So:
Argue the toss about the actual call, the facts, fine.
Go for, 'it was out, look it's out, Maia's coach says it's out, there's clear grains between the mark and the line etc. etc. etc.'
BUT don't do what you did yesterday Fran and descend into taking it personally and making it very emotive i.e.
'Are you seriously going to do this? Beatriz, are you serious? Umpire, you are not being serious, are you? Maia, what about sportsmanship? You can't be going to be so unsporstmanlike, surely?....'
The first focuses your anger on the actual perceived wrong but limits it to the actual call
The second becomes a 'the whole world is against me and it's all so unfair'
Just saying, Fran (and Jodie, and Harriet, and whoever else......)

biggrin

Priesty · Challenger level

I definitely think BHM's experience showed in her superior handling of the situation. Great that Fran has the passion but needs to be channelled in a more constructive way.