Jon, appreciated, but I honestly think that there is really quite limited true conclusions thst can be come to by comparing proportions of men's and women's votes when we are not talking random tennis automatons but individual players with varying histories and varying tennis disciplines. Other than, as they do show, no startling gender divergence in overall votes. Indeed no overall statistical significant difference  ( 258 vs 251.4 ) if gender 'equa!ity' in proportion of overall votes had been an expectation. Though with many other variable factors, that expectation is debatable. 

At least though it is of interest to have an overall look as I said I did when I went back and looked at the votes received from the start of R1. I just looked at each set of figures, without attempting any appropriate or more likely inappropriate ( given it is such a mushy unrandom selection ) statistical test and I was certainly not struck by any general gender bias/skewness.

It looks though as if we have bern trying to look at a more overall picture than TTMan in trying to see where he is coming from. To quote from his last post :
"I was merely making the factual observation that gender-wise the number of votes showed a "skew" towards male players, Dan, Joe and Liam, as opposed to Jo, Heather and Emma."

Yes, 3 particular male and 3 particular female players - I earlier suggested an element of selection but I didn't realise that his basis was so narrowly selective, including one player who, rightly or wtongly, he already very clearly felt didn't get her due, and excluding the woman finalist. I was personally surprised at Liam's early votes ( decent year though he had ) though he fell away in the SF, whereas Joe and Dan to my mind had more substantial tennis claims, with more previously personal unprecedented achievement than the women mentioned. Votes being much more does not necessarily mean that they are skewed, unless a rough equality of votes is a reasonable expectation, and again it bears repeating that they all have their individual characteristics beyond being male or female.

Anyway, anyone want to play a game of selecting 3 particular men and 3 particular women's votes and see if you can make it look biased towards females?!

I still maintain that there appears no very obvious ( possibly little at all ) gender biasedness/skewness from looking at the generality and to try any more complex analysis is fraught with danger of conflicting often unintentional other skews making any results/conclusions highly debatable.

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Certainly looking like Joe has this in the bag. But keep voting! 

I admit to a personal clear leaning towards the achievements of singles players, and so it was Dan from Fran for me. I have though often enjoyed top level doubles and follow the higher ranked British doublers' results and rankings. And Joe certainly has done superbly well.

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 I seem to recall that this all started back in March with some favourite British players polls taking place ; perhaps British active tennis board 2021 version of that is on the cards for 2021 March time?! 

on a serious note, many of the polls we did are probably pointless repeating , but the favourite British and world players ones are ones that felt they might have merit in an annual repeat. Will be amazing to think 12 months will have gone by! 

JonH comes home wrote:

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29 votes now.

joe 16
Dan 6
Fran 5
Alfie 2

fran could still snatch 2nd here

JonH comes home wrote:

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JonH comes home wrote:

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30 votes now.

joe 16
Dan 6
Fran 5
Alfie 3

 and Alfie still standing as well. 

8 hours left so you never know, 2nd could still go anywhere, first place tied up though. Good to see 30 votes reached. 32 is tops so would be good to beat that for the final, with 8 hours to vote it could be possible to get 3 more votes. 

closes at 8pm. 

 

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Look guys, I'm happy to put a line under this now, please and accept defeat. It was just a suggestion, right but I do appreciate that you have taken it seriously enough to analyse the whole vote. I admit I was focusing in on the results of the key (in my subjective opinion) ATP and WTA players and should have included Fran in my potential next-gens.

I strongly believe the sport would benefit from an ATP/WTA merger, WTA in particular. But the dominance of the men's game in tournaments, the public eye and media is a real hurdle. I'm a relatively recent convert to the WTA tour thanks entirely to Jo, having previously been a big fan of Andy, Tim and Jeremy (Bates). I find both tours equally entertaining and I still take every opportunity to watch ALL Brits on both tours where I can but not enough wheelchair I admit.

As for Jo, unless you are a fulltime fan and there are relatively few of us, you probably don't appreciate how unfairly she is treated by the British media and what affect this has on her, her performance and her public perception. The abuse she and her surname gets on social media and online media reader comments and is a national disgrace. Heather too. I would go so far as to say Jo is one of the least appreciated by her home nation of all national number ones and is much more respected by the WTA, WTA players and foreign media. I have no issue with her personality, I find her intelligent, cheerful, polite, always humble towards her opponents and particularly good with kids (and dogs!!). The fact she has been voted on to the WTA Players Council for several years must say something as is the continued support from her sponsors. Her ranking history and Team GB contribution is second only to Andy's.