indiana wrote:

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This could he very good ( at least in logic terms ) if they are going to properly sort out the W25 points vs prize money when introducing this W40 level. Things would be much more on a sensible progressionn if they reduced the W25 points and then introduced the existing W25 points scale to the new W40s. It would then flow through fine to rhe existing W60s.

Any idea what the W15/25/40 points will be? It does seem obvious to sort out the W25s at the same time.

Certainly an enlightened correspondent posted a couple of weeks ago in the Week 37 Darwin W25 thread at no cost to anyone who wished to take such thoughts on board. A donation would be appreciated though 

indiana wrote:

"The women's W25s have long been totally anomalous in their prize money against points ( and have got worse over time ).

It must leave many women players generally with some difficult decisions to make, with pretty strong fields relative to the prize money, and more particularly where big travel costs are involved.

Perhaps we need two categories to replace the one. Say a W25 with reduced points, much more in line with the men as a true second futures level event and a W40 ( $40K prize money ) with the current W25 points. Moving then more naturally to the current W60s with their current prize money and points.

It really does need sorted !!!"

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 Inspired! You should be a writer working on The Capture!

There is still a massive problem with prize money at the lower end of women's tennis compared to men. I have read some stats - wish I could find them now! - talking about the ranking level at which men can break even, about 100-150 places lower than women. Not sure what benefit adding a 40k will have to be frank, a forced increase in prize money for the ITF events in general would help but appreciate that then ends up with the challenge of whether they're viable to put on at all...

Madadman wrote:

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Coup Droit wrote:

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Ben Rothenberg
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ATP announces a big cash infusion into the prize money on its Challenger tour, increasing prize money by 60% next year.

Long overdue if the sport intends to make a career outside the top 100 sustainable.

pbs.twimg.com/media/FczGDyWWQAYsNTE

(Mods, I chose this thread because it's the most recent but there's another with the same name started by Jaffa, last posted in 2018, and another called Prize Money Allocations, with 39 posts, started by Vandy, which is on the same topic - maybe we could amalgamate them? (that's a royal 'we', by the way - I mean 'you' coz I wouldn't have a clue even if I had access )

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 Was just looking at this again. The current Challanger 80 level tournaments being rebranded to Challenger 75. The prize money increasing from $53120 to $80000. I notice that the formula will also change so a higher percentage than current goes to the earlier rounds. However not knowing that percentage I had a look to see what difference it would make on a round by round basis using the current formula.

singles qualifying ( in Dollars)

R1 130 -> 195

R2 260 -> 391

Singles

R1 520 -> 783

R2 860 -> 1295

1/4 1460 -> 2198

1/2 2510 -> 3780

RU 4240 -> 6385

W 7200 -> 10843

Doubles (per team)

R1 360 -> 542

1/4 640 -> 963

1/2 1080 -> 1626

RU 1800 -> 2710

W 3100 -> 4668

 

Id imagine they might look to increase qr1 to 300, qr2 to 500 and R1 to 900. Would need to find 3840 from later rounds to make that happen. But thats just my guess.

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 Now we have some drawsheets I see the formula for distribution hasnt changed as the amounts are almost what I predicted using the old formula.

singles qualifying ( in Dollars)

R1 130 -> 200

R2 260 -> 390

Singles

R1 520 -> 780

R2 860 -> 1300

1/4 1460 -> 2200

1/2 2510 -> 3780

RU 4240 -> 6355

W 7200 -> 10840

Doubles (per team)

R1 360 -> 545

1/4 640 -> 965

1/2 1080 -> 1630

RU 1800 -> 2700

W 3100 -> 4645

Re the ongoing farce of no public disclosure ( what other disclosure? ) of W40 points I had a look just now at the live-tennis live rankings site.

For the current week It is projecting 2022 W60 points for both Canberra W60 and Nonthaburi W40 ( 5 points for qualifying, MD - 8 points for a R1 win and 80 points for the title ).

Whatever it ends up as, the same points for W40s and W60s seems rather unlikely!

The OER live site has also been adding 2022 W60 qualifying and MD R1 points to both this week's W40 and W60.

Lambda wrote:

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Apparently W40 points are 70 - 42 - 25 - 13 - 7 - 1 (Q 4 - 2)

https://twitter.com/gasparlanca/status/1610310464344584195

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 Thank you.. So I am assuming that the other level points are to remain unchanged, with in particular not taking the opportunity to revamp the W25 points, and they are simply squeezing the new W40 points structure inn between the W25 and W60.

If so, uttter farce!  There was a gap.for a W40 prize moneywise, and presumably its introduction is really down to the ITF. But we then look to the WTA for the accompanying WTA points structure. But it appears that the eventually revealed (.including it appears only now to the players - who knows re the federations and tournaments? )) will not be fit for purpose, as unfit as whoever is responsible for this.

It cried out for the W25 points to finally be pulled down a fair bit and to then position the new W40 points inn the bigger gap created between W25s and W60s. And of course it should all have been sorted out well before this year, not during the week of the first W40.

Are the ruddy W25 points untouchable?!  Do the WTA care much at all about players involved in ITF tournaments?

Rant over for now ...

Hopefully they just have a transitional year while they see how many W40 events end up being put on. Then when they feel there are enough for players to have a good enough chance to enter W40 they do a big revamp for next season. I wont hold my breath though!