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Vandenburg


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L32:  (SE) Daniel Evans WR 33 defeated (Q) Aljaz Bedene (SLO) WR 53 by 6-3 4-5 retired

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L16:  (SE) Daniel Evans WR 33 vs (WC) Jurij Rodionov (AUT) WR 153 (CH = 148 earlier this month)

Rodionov beat Shapo (8) in straight sets yesterday...

 Take that win over Bedene however it comes, although a scoreline like that sounds about right - any idea what Aljaz injury was?

 Nice to see Evans beat Traitordene. 

In general I like your dry sense of humour Vandenburg and tend not to take offense when you are being intentional controversial to stir up conversation..

But in this case, I am sorry, but I don't like the use of the word "traitor" for anyone.

 He was a traitor, he has not represented Slovakia or Slovenia (can't remember which of these he is from) in DC or Olympics since he switched back, so what was the point. 

If what he says is true and the biggest thing in his life was to represent Slo-country at the Olympics, why did he leave his homeland nationality in the first place. 

I differ from Evans argument, 'that he was never British', I take a different line, where I don't think he was ever that bothered. He knew when he switched, he was going to potentially have a floater career, ranked 50-150 for rest of his life.  But being a floater under GB flag, was better, more money from LTA than the STA, and guaranteed wildcards in summer. 

 

 



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Vandenburg wrote:
Bob in Spain wrote:
Vandenburg wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
Stircrazy wrote:

L32:  (SE) Daniel Evans WR 33 defeated (Q) Aljaz Bedene (SLO) WR 53 by 6-3 4-5 retired

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L16:  (SE) Daniel Evans WR 33 vs (WC) Jurij Rodionov (AUT) WR 153 (CH = 148 earlier this month)

Rodionov beat Shapo (8) in straight sets yesterday...

 Take that win over Bedene however it comes, although a scoreline like that sounds about right - any idea what Aljaz injury was?

 Nice to see Evans beat Traitordene. 

In general I like your dry sense of humour Vandenburg and tend not to take offense when you are being intentional controversial to stir up conversation..

But in this case, I am sorry, but I don't like the use of the word "traitor" for anyone.

 He was a traitor, he has not represented Slovakia or Slovenia (can't remember which of these he is from) in DC or Olympics since he switched back, so what was the point. 

If what he says is true and the biggest thing in his life was to represent Slo-country at the Olympics, why did he leave his homeland nationality in the first place. 

I differ from Evans argument, 'that he was never British', I take a different line, where I don't think he was ever that bothered. He knew when he switched, he was going to potentially have a floater career, ranked 50-150 for rest of his life.  But being a floater under GB flag, was better, more money from LTA than the STA, and guaranteed wildcards in summer. 

This is not about the rights and wrongs of what Aljaz did, it is just the choice of word that I am uncomfortable with.  Perhaps we have a different interpretation of that particular word.  For me it implies that the person has intentionally chosen a course of action to "harm" the person he/she betrayed.  While I am sure some people felt let down by his decisions, I don't believe he deliberately set out to cause damage to anyone.



-- Edited by Bob in Spain on Tuesday 27th of October 2020 10:06:57 PM

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I agree with Bob, Vandy.

You might call Bedene self-serving but that's not the same as a traitor.

Personally, I don't think it was particularly self-serving either - he moved here at 18, lived here, had his life here. Then - when he couldn't play Davis Cup and his girlfirend wanted to move back - he moved back.

As Bob says, that's not deliberately doing any harm, he hasn't committed treason.

(And it's no different from Cam, from Jan, from Naithka, from a ton of players who change tennis allegiance, for an array of reasons but always - fundamentally - because it benefits them)



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Bedene has actually played DC ties since switching back -pretty sure his brother is involved in the DC as well.
Also, I think he still lives in the UK (therefore paying taxes). Since switching back from GB, Bedene has more or less been ranked around the same as Norrie (mid top 100), getting some decent wins in tournaments etc.

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Mr Bedene didn't choose to not represent GB. The Davis Cup powers that be did that.

(As I understand it his actual nationality is still British)

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But all in all, not sure what he would have added to GB tennis. Again just a really steady player, and ironically, id fancy Edmund and Norrie to take him down on clay. If were British, he's not exactly be walking into the team on any surface.

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Dan playing doubles today at noon. His singles isnt until Thursday, strange scheduling gap, ditto jamie and neal versus joe and rajeev is Thursday.

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Dan doubles about to start, big match in context of Jamie and Neals chances for London.

Herbert and Mahut lost yesterday, which also is a boost for Jamie and Neal.

Purcell and Saville won their opener in Nur-Sultan so still a big battle though around the top 8

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L16:  Jürgen Melzer & Edouard Roger-Vasselin (AUT/FRA) CR 55 (35+20) defeated (WC) Daniel Evans & Oliver Marach (AUT) CR 173 (146+27) by 2 & 5



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L16:  Jürgen Melzer & Edouard Roger-Vasselin (AUT/FRA) CR 55 (35+20) defeated (WC) Daniel Evans & Oliver Marach (AUT) CR 173 (146+27) by 2 & 5

 Not to be but not a surprise!



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Coup Droit wrote:

I agree with Bob, Vandy.

You might call Bedene self-serving but that's not the same as a traitor.

Personally, I don't think it was particularly self-serving either - he moved here at 18, lived here, had his life here. Then - when he couldn't play Davis Cup and his girlfirend wanted to move back - he moved back.

As Bob says, that's not deliberately doing any harm, he hasn't committed treason.

(And it's no different from Cam, from Jan, from Naithka, from a ton of players who change tennis allegiance, for an array of reasons but always - fundamentally - because it benefits them)

 Allegedly Bedenes girlfriend Kimie's pop career was a consideration - formerly part of the Europop group the Foxy Teens, Kimie tried to break into the UK pop market. Despite becoming a protege of Herts tennis team captain Jeff 'War of the Worlds' Wayne her voice/style was too Europop for the British market.



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Looks like Joe and Rajeev have given Jamie and Neal a walkover into the semi-finals.

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Looks like Joe and Rajeev have given Jamie and Neal a walkover into the semi-finals.

Confirmation:

QF:  Jamie Murray & Neal Skupski CR 52 (25+27) "defeated" (2) Rajeev Ram (USA) & Joe Salisbury CR 17 (10+7) by a walkover  cry

I sincerely hope that that doesn't mean a serious injury to Joe or Rajeev.



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No, but it conveniently helps Neal and Jamie with their attempts to get into the tour finals.
Coincidence???

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Stircrazy wrote:
Madadman wrote:

Looks like Joe and Rajeev have given Jamie and Neal a walkover into the semi-finals.

Confirmation:

QF:  Jamie Murray & Neal Skupski CR 52 (25+27) "defeated" (2) Rajeev Ram (USA) & Joe Salisbury CR 17 (10+7) by a walkover  cry

I sincerely hope that that doesn't mean a serious injury to Joe or Rajeev.

 Well, not what we wanted although in the bigger scheme of things, rather that way round than the other. Hope all ok with Joe and Rajeev...



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