Entries Week 41 - 12/10/2020

the addict · Tennis legend

Entries Week 41 - 12/10/2020

seagull · Hall of fame

Also have Konta in Ostrava.

On the Mens side

Edmund and Murray in Cologne

Evans and Norrie in St Petersburg

Clarke in Lisbon and Broady in Alicante

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

seagull wrote:
Also have Konta in Ostrava.

On the Mens side

Edmund and Murray in Cologne

Evans and Norrie in St Petersburg

Clarke in Lisbon and Broady in Alicante

Broady in Alicante ?

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

Alicante list below for Bob

Alicante , Spain Challenger 80
Date: 10/12/2020 Original Cut Off: 205 Ranking Date: 9/21/2020
Direct Acceptances: 23 Wild Cards: 3 Qualifiers: 4 Special Exempts: 2

Main Draw
105 Martinez, Pedro (ESP)
112 O'Connell, Christopher (AUS)
142 Varillas, Juan Pablo (PER)
144 Zapata Miralles, Bernabe (ESP)
148 Taberner, Carlos (ESP )
150 Bolt, Alex (AUS)
152 Galan, Daniel Elahi (COL)
156 Giustino, Lorenzo (ITA)
168 Istomin, Denis (UZB)
174 Escobedo, Ernesto (USA)
176 Horansky, Filip (SVK)
179 Diez, Steven (CAN)
182 Vilella Martinez, Mario (ESP)
185 Altmaier, Daniel (GER)
188 Alcaraz, Carlos (ESP)
192 Vukic, Aleksandar (AUS)
194 Couacaud, Enzo (FRA)
197 Collarini, Andrea (ARG)
198 Ramanathan, Ramkumar (IND)
200 Nakashima, Brandon (USA)
204 Polansky, Peter (CAN)
205 Ficovich, Juan Pablo (ARG)
205 Robredo, Tommy (ESP) PR

Alicante Q , Spain Challenger 80
Date: 10/10/2020 Original Cut Off: 261 Ranking Date : 9/21/2020
Direct Acceptances: 13 Wild Cards: 3

Main Draw
206 Broady, Liam (GBR)
213 Cid Subervi, Roberto (DOM)
215 Harris, Andrew (AUS)
223 Bemelmans, Ruben (BEL)
230 Mena, Facundo (ARG)
238 Muller, Alexandre (FRA)
239 Gaston, Hugo (FRA)
240 Trungelliti, Marco (ARG)
242 Kuhn, Nicola (ESP)
249 Grenier, Hugo (FRA)
252 Machac, Tomas (CZE)
257 Baldi, Filippo (ITA)
261 Jaziri, Malek ( TUN)

Bob in Spain · Tennis legend

Thanks John. I have been on the website linked from the ATP page but no info there yet. The event is at the Juan Carlos Ferrero tennis centre which I have visited before. By the loks of it, the event was originally scheduled for April but has clearly been rearranged.

I have tweeted Liam for confirmation. It is about an hour from where I live - so basically just around the corner in terms of my tennis adventures.

Just hoping now that (a) they are allowing spectators, or (b) Liam can sneak me in under some guise of being his "sports psychologist" or something similar. Anyone who has seen me play (and there is at least one person on this board in that category) knows that "hitting partner" would be a stretch too far wink

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

full entry list is on this site, I always find it good for referring

http://www.tennisteen.it/entry-list.html

dodrade · Satellite level

Sorry for being slow but what exactly is the difference between being on the qualifying and alternate lists?

flamingowings · All-time great

dodrade wrote:
Sorry for being slow but what exactly is the difference between being on the qualifying and alternate lists?

I would like to say it's the following (but open to correction)

Main draw - ranking high enough to enter the tournament straight off e.g. top 64 (Masters) top 128 (grand slam) more or less.

Qualifying - ranking below main draw cut off but still in the area of the tournament paramenters e.g. Liam Broady at French Open

Alternatives - players who has put their name down but due to the rankings of the players above, unlikely to get in unless sufficient numbers of players above withdraw * (or getting wildcards etc)

So for French Open, you had a cut off of x (main draw) and cut off for y (quals) and then z (which Harriet was on - so Harriet ended up in quals due to the numbers of players withdrawing )

-- Edited by flamingowings on Wednesday 30th of September 2020 11:06:57 PM

indiana · Tennis legend

dodrade wrote:
Sorry for being slow but what exactly is the difference between being on the qualifying and alternate lists?

The qualifying list is these not ranked high enough at entry date to make the main draw lists. So as it stands they will compete in quaifying.

The alternates list is these not ranked highj enough at entry date to make the qualifying list, so as it stands they are not in the event at all.

Players will be looking for withdrawals to move up the lists and ideally jump uo to the next list.

A little confusingly ( but more with the bigger events ) people will sometimes talk about alternates to the main draw in how close players are to making the main draw ( these bigger events can have different entry dates for the main draw and qualifying ).

.Here though, and in ITF lists, it is as I described so for example 'A2 Francesca Jones' means that at the time of writing she was showing as 2nd on the alternatrs list, 2 places out from getting into qualifying.

Edit : I think that we are essentially saying the same, FW.

-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 1st of October 2020 12:15:19 AM

JonH comes home · Tennis legend

I think you're both right but timing is the issue. In normal times the main draw comes out before qualies and has an alts list of those next in line for entry. As players withdraw from main field, the players in alts list fill the vacant places. Qualies comes out a few weeks later and may or may not consist of players in the alts list. If they are in main draw alts list, if they move up to main draw they'll disappear from qualies. I'd they dodnt enter at time of main draw they'll stay on qualies even if higher ranked than someone on alts list.

indiana · Tennis legend

Thing is Jon, this is the slight confusion I was pointing to. You are really just talking about bigger events such as with your ATP Alicante Challenger lists - essentially events with two lists: main draw with alternates and qualifying list with alternates.

For ITF events, whivh I had rather focussed on, such as the ones in the initial post, there is just the one entry date and one list that all comes out together, split by ranking into main draw / qualifying / alternates.

Ah, life is too rarely simple

-- Edited by indiana on Thursday 1st of October 2020 01:04:03 AM

emmsie69 · Top national player

flamingowings wrote:
dodrade wrote:
Sorry for being slow but what exactly is the difference between being on the qualifying and alternate lists?
I would like to say it's the following (but open to correction)

Main draw - ranking high enough to enter the tournament straight off e.g. top 64 (Masters) top 128 (grand slam) more or less.
Qualifying - ranking below main draw cut off but still in the area of the tournament paramenters e.g. Liam Broady at French Open
Alternatives - players who has put their name down but due to the rankings of the players above, unlikely to get in unless sufficient numbers of players above withdraw * (or getting wildcards etc)

So for French Open, you had a cut off of x (main draw) and cut off for y (quals) and then z (which Harriet was on - so Harriet ended up in quals due to the numbers of players withdrawing )

-- Edited by flamingowings on Wednesday 30th of September 2020 11:06:57 PM

Minor detail but Harriet was never an alternate for the French Open, she was always in qualifying. Emily Webley Smith was an alternate for the doubles and did get in due to withdrawals. Don't diss the doubletop biggrin

the addict · Tennis legend

Just to add to Indi's post about ITF events, where the entry procedure is different from the main tours.

The lists are all published together immediately after the entry deadline - usually this is a Thursday, about 18 days before the tournament.
There is then a short period when the players can withdraw from tornaments (as they are allowed to enter up to 6 for each week).
The withdrawal deadline is usually the Tuesday after the entry deadline. After this any withdrawals are classed as late withdrawals, and the player may be subject to a penalty.
At this point, the entry lists are processed by the ITF to determine the final entry lists, and any multiple main draw and qualifying entries removed.

Hence, I always look down the entry lists and note any of our ranked players, even as alts, because it is not uncommon for 60 or more players to withdraw from the original lists (plus many more that weren't going to make it anyway). This week is exceptional though with many players chasing so few tournaments.

In view of the different entry procedures, it mighr be useful to put the relevant dates for the tournaments into a separate thread, i.e. entry deadlines, seeding dates etc. Thoughts anyone ?

dodrade · Satellite level

Thanks everyone for the explanation.

the addict · Tennis legend

Slight change in the W25 Cherbourg entry list
Fran is into qualifying, and Jodie is up to 2nd alternate, so should get in.