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Week 33/34 - ATP Masters 1000 Western & Southern Open ($4,222,190) - New York, USA (Outdoor Hard)


Tournament starts on 22nd August

 

Schedule
* Qualifying: Thursday, 20 August - Friday. 21 August at 11:00am
* Main draw: Saturday, 22 August - Wednesday, 26 August, 11:00am & 5:00pm 
* Semi-finals: Thursday, 27 August, doubles at 12:00pm, singles not before 3:00pm
* Doubles final: Friday, 28 August at 2:00pm
* Singles final: Friday, 28 August not before 4:00pm



-- Edited by JonH comes home on Tuesday 18th of August 2020 10:50:24 PM

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Is this still classed as mandatory - so for in the example of Dan Evans. Cincinnatti is not currently in his Top 18. If he went out in the first round would the 10 points that gives replace his current 18th score of 20 given that in normal circumstances it would?

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seagull wrote:

Is this still classed as mandatory - so for in the example of Dan Evans. Cincinnatti is not currently in his Top 18. If he went out in the first round would the 10 points that gives replace his current 18th score of 20 given that in normal circumstances it would?


 I believe it wouldnt - ie the 10 would only add if it builds on his current 18th score? Nothing in his current list of 18 would be dropped unless something came along to improve on it...I think

But I could be wrong?



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seagull wrote:

Is this still classed as mandatory - so for in the example of Dan Evans. Cincinnatti is not currently in his Top 18. If he went out in the first round would the 10 points that gives replace his current 18th score of 20 given that in normal circumstances it would?


I was also wondering about how this would work.

I assume that no tournament for the remainder of the year is treated as a 'mandatory' in the sense that if you haven't an existing 2019 counter for it, and don't play it in 2020 when ranked high enough, you won't then get a compulsory zero.

What I am less sure about is your Dan example, no existing 2019 counter and now plays it in 2020, does such a player now have to count the 2020 points?

My suspicion is that the answer is no. That seems the most  consistent way to treat the matter. And if such scores had to count they would be the only way to actually drop points in the remainder of the year ( if replacing a higher existing counter ). 

But I don't know ?? 



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indiana wrote:
seagull wrote:

Is this still classed as mandatory - so for in the example of Dan Evans. Cincinnatti is not currently in his Top 18. If he went out in the first round would the 10 points that gives replace his current 18th score of 20 given that in normal circumstances it would?


I was also wondering about how this would work.

I assume that no tournament for the remainder of the year is treated as a 'mandatory' in the sense that if you haven't an existing 2019 counter for it, and don't play it in 2020 when ranked high enough, you won't then get a compulsory zero.

What I am less sure about is your Dan example, no existing 2019 counter and now plays it in 2020, does such a player now have to count the 2020 points?

My suspicion is that the answer is no. That seems the most  consistent way to treat the matter. And if such scores had to count they would be the only way to actually drop points in the remainder of the year ( if replacing a higher existing counter ). 

But I don't know ?? 



 I'm sure in this covid world it is unlikely any event would be .mandatory, for now, given that it could force players to play in events they dont want to for health reasons?



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indiana wrote:
seagull wrote:

Is this still classed as mandatory - so for in the example of Dan Evans. Cincinnatti is not currently in his Top 18. If he went out in the first round would the 10 points that gives replace his current 18th score of 20 given that in normal circumstances it would?


I was also wondering about how this would work.

I assume that no tournament for the remainder of the year is treated as a 'mandatory' in the sense that if you haven't an existing 2019 counter for it, and don't play it in 2020 when ranked high enough, you won't then get a compulsory zero.

What I am less sure about is your Dan example, no existing 2019 counter and now plays it in 2020, does such a player now have to count the 2020 points?

My suspicion is that the answer is no. That seems the most  consistent way to treat the matter. And if such scores had to count they would be the only way to actually drop points in the remainder of the year ( if replacing a higher existing counter ). 

But I don't know ?? 



 I'm sure in this covid world it is unlikely any event would be .mandatory, for now, given that it could force players to play in events they dont want to for health reasons?


 

That's why I assume no loss / compulsory zero if you don't play it. But if you do play, with no existing 2019 score? 



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The event doesn't have to be mandatory for its points to count as if it were a mandatory. i.e. the player doesn't have to play, but if he does play, it counts as it would have done before The Sniffle arrived to mess with everything.

I wouldn't put it past tennis authorities to have not thought this through completely.

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indiana wrote:
JonH comes home wrote:
indiana wrote:
seagull wrote:

Is this still classed as mandatory - so for in the example of Dan Evans. Cincinnatti is not currently in his Top 18. If he went out in the first round would the 10 points that gives replace his current 18th score of 20 given that in normal circumstances it would?


I was also wondering about how this would work.

I assume that no tournament for the remainder of the year is treated as a 'mandatory' in the sense that if you haven't an existing 2019 counter for it, and don't play it in 2020 when ranked high enough, you won't then get a compulsory zero.

What I am less sure about is your Dan example, no existing 2019 counter and now plays it in 2020, does such a player now have to count the 2020 points?

My suspicion is that the answer is no. That seems the most  consistent way to treat the matter. And if such scores had to count they would be the only way to actually drop points in the remainder of the year ( if replacing a higher existing counter ). 

But I don't know ?? 



 I'm sure in this covid world it is unlikely any event would be .mandatory, for now, given that it could force players to play in events they dont want to for health reasons?


 

That's why I assume no loss / compulsory zero if you don't play it. But if you do play, with no existing 2019 score? 


see post below



-- Edited by JonH comes home on Wednesday 19th of August 2020 03:56:34 PM

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In fact it is dealt with on the ATP website,

www.atptour.com/en/news/fedex-atp-rankings-adjustments-faq

I read it that if Dan didnt play last year as it was not mandatory for him to do so, then the 2020 event will not be considered mandatory...

They state

Will events played in 2020 after the suspension be considered mandatory?
No.

Will mandatory events that were originally scheduled to drop during the Tours suspension be considered mandatory for rankings purposes?
All events that were considered mandatory on the 16 March Ranking will remain mandatory if they are not replaced by a players 2020 result.

How will zero-point ranking penalties given in 2019 be handled?
Only if a player plays the same event in 2020 will a players 2019 zero-point ranking penalty be removed.

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Cheers Jon, I certainly take from that that Dan only counts Cincy if it outscores and hence replaces his current 18th counter of 20.

That's logical.



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Cheers Jon. Well played ATP.

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Draw for qualies out,

www.atptour.com/en/scores/current/new-york/422/draws

Cam playing Kukushkin first round, will play Sousa of Portugal or Majchrzak of Poland if he gets through that.

Cam is last on court 14, 5th match after an 11am start, so likely towards midnight BST

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So, a reminder of our players this event:

Singles - Dan, Kyle and Andy
Singles Qualis - Cam
Doubles - Joe (with Rajeev Ram), Jamie and Neal, Dan (with David Goffin).

Should be plenty to get our teeth into there!

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Qualifying

QR1:- Cameron Norrie (GBR) WR77 [16] v Mikhail Kukushkin (KAZ) WR91

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Qualifying

QR1:- Cameron Norrie (GBR) WR77 [16] v Mikhail Kukushkin (KAZ) WR91


 Looking at Scoreboard.com, Kukushkin played once in lockdown and withdrew during the match, in May, whilst losing. 

 

Coming in quite under done,  perhaps? 

https://www.scoreboard.com/uk/player/kukushkin-mikhail/OSUB7Jy0/results/

 

Sousa hasnt  played in 6 weeks and played just 6 matches during lockdown, against Portuguese players where he ended up 4-2. 

https://www.scoreboard.com/uk/player/sousa-joao/dQdhXosG/results/

Majchrzak played a lot, 12 matches with 11-1 record but all against lower ranked Polish players

https://www.scoreboard.com/uk/player/sousa-joao/dQdhXosG/results/   



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